He signed another player at the last cycle that he had offered and put effort into at his D1 school, this one didn’t effect me but adds to it. So, 2 guys who he put AP into and did not recruit at Southern Utah, and 2 guys who he put effort into and waited to offer scholarships to until after he filled his spots, and then offered. Those two guys he would later recruit at Kenyon and put enough effort in to get to low. He then rescinded the scholarships to one of those two guys and let him sign with me.

It definitely doesn't pass the smell test at the very least.

And it does sound like there was some coordination on his part to utilize the D1 program he was leaving to shield off competition for recruits that he planned to sign with whatever D3 school he picked up, which definitely should be a violation of the fair play guidelines. Then there's the issue that he went after players he knew about from his D1 resources -- an extremely useful corner cut given the minimal scouting budgets that D3 programs receive and the costs of scouting at distance (does Kenyon scouting blind even have the resources to "find" all those players and identify them as target-worthy? I think probably not...)

CS needs to step in here I think.

I don't necessary see a problem with utilizing the scouting information gained from a previous team after a job change, but this takes it to another level. For example, when I was at D3 Millsaps in Tark, my top recruit I was pursuing there just happened to have amazing preferences with the D2 team I took over after the job change. Since this was the case, I was able to offer a scholly and spam HVs to beat out a few D3s and a D2. The difference was that mjs22 appears to have planned this during his session one scouting/recruiting and purposely didn't offer these players at Southern Utah. I decided late in the job change period to leave D3, and ended up having to beat out my old team which already had put effort into the recruit.

"I worked it out with him and he ended up rescinding his scholarship...."

I think this is also covered under the FairPlay Guidelines as collusive. If someone in your world sees that and feels burned by it, this might not end well.

Posted by hypnotoad on 7/8/2018 8:10:00 AM (view original):
"I worked it out with him and he ended up rescinding his scholarship...."

I think this is also covered under the FairPlay Guidelines as collusive. If someone in your world sees that and feels burned by it, this might not end well.

True statement. Although the intentions were in good faith from the OP.

I'm nobody, but I'll give the OP a pass this one time. I don't think it was intentional collusion. As he was the one to bust his balls in the first place

I agree with you I think this was in good faith too. just pointing out that agreeing on recruiting deals can lead to trouble.

I think mjs did not break any rules

Posted by cubcub113 on 7/8/2018 9:39:00 AM (view original):
I think mjs did not break any rules

Do you feel like the discussion is magnified because it's a D1 coach dropping to D3 and doing this? Rather than a D3 coach moving up to D2 while doing the same thing.

Posted by topdogggbm on 7/8/2018 9:49:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cubcub113 on 7/8/2018 9:39:00 AM (view original):
I think mjs did not break any rules

Do you feel like the discussion is magnified because it's a D1 coach dropping to D3 and doing this? Rather than a D3 coach moving up to D2 while doing the same thing.

I think so. No one is going to care if you’re moving up and looking at the same recruits, because the presence of a D3 school on a D1 pool recruit’s considering list doesn’t scare anyone away. The foul here is that - whether intended or innocent - he got an advantage of D1 presence on a number of recruits he would later try to recruit as a lower division team.

Posted by shoe3 on 7/8/2018 10:20:00 AM (view original):

Posted by topdogggbm on 7/8/2018 9:49:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cubcub113 on 7/8/2018 9:39:00 AM (view original):
I think mjs did not break any rules

Do you feel like the discussion is magnified because it's a D1 coach dropping to D3 and doing this? Rather than a D3 coach moving up to D2 while doing the same thing.

I think so. No one is going to care if you’re moving up and looking at the same recruits, because the presence of a D3 school on a D1 pool recruit’s considering list doesn’t scare anyone away. The foul here is that - whether intended or innocent - he got an advantage of D1 presence on a number of recruits he would later try to recruit as a lower division team.

Oh I understand that. I was just wondering cubcub's thoughts. Was it the same as you and I? Or does he just feel like as a coach, you can scout whoever and however you want, and take whatever job you want.

I still don’t get how OP was beaten by a D3 school in a recruiting battle especially since D3 starting showing interest in RS2.

Posted by hypnotoad on 7/8/2018 8:10:00 AM (view original):
"I worked it out with him and he ended up rescinding his scholarship...."

I think this is also covered under the FairPlay Guidelines as collusive. If someone in your world sees that and feels burned by it, this might not end well.

There were 3 schools on the player and he had coached 1 and was currently coaching the other. And it was the last cycle of the recruiting session, nobody else was impacted by this.

I agree it might also break some sort of rule, but considering it would have been my player in the first place had he not done what he did, I think it is justified.

Posted by zagsrulez on 7/8/2018 11:23:00 AM (view original):
I still don’t get how OP was beaten by a D3 school in a recruiting battle especially since D3 starting showing interest in RS2.

I don’t know if you got this or not but I myself am a D3 team. I was forced to spend my money and AP of my very small 3 budget elsewhere when I saw a D1 team putting considerable effort. I then went back on the player later in the session when he hadn’t signed when he was supposed to and noticed the D1 team was out of spots. I then saw his D3 team put in enough effort to move to low, which would not have been hard for him considering he had an almost limitless budget with 11 empty scholarships and I’m assuming he rescinded in a way that got him the most money possible. If you rescind when you have less than 6 open spots you get money for that player right? As opposed to rescinding when you have 6 and don’t get money right?

Posted by topdogggbm on 7/8/2018 9:49:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cubcub113 on 7/8/2018 9:39:00 AM (view original):
I think mjs did not break any rules

Do you feel like the discussion is magnified because it's a D1 coach dropping to D3 and doing this? Rather than a D3 coach moving up to D2 while doing the same thing.

I think it is, when moving from a lower division you add putting yourself at a disadvantage by recruiting the same guys, and moving from two teams within the same division gives you no benefit. But when going down a division and especially from D1 to D3 and you recruit the same players there is definitely a benifit if your old school has filled their spots and is no longer able to sign the player.

Report that situation. That is totally against the "fair play doctrine".