Posted by dedelman on 10/23/2018 4:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by buddhagamer on 10/23/2018 4:45:00 PM (view original):
Don't seem to have an issue clicking on my teams roster and sorting by class (year) via team page (they are sorted by position when viewed initially but clicking on the columns toggle sorting in ascending/descending).

PC laptop with latest Chrome:

Google Chrome is up to date
Version 67.0.3396.99 (Official Build) (64-bit)

That's not the latest Chrome. Don't update Chrome-- this appears to be a Chrome version 69 issue. All other browsers work.

Hmmm.... guess the IT department is blocking the Chrome updater now. Well that saved me from this headache I guess.

I'm on Chrome 70, same issue.

Just had a player complain about playing time, despite getting 92.6% of the promised minutes, fouling out twice and getting into foul trouble one other time. I don't feel like the coach should be held accountable for foul situations when it comes to promised playing time. It's like getting injured while not dressing for the games and then complaining you aren't starting

Posted by thewizard17 on 10/24/2018 9:17:00 PM (view original):
Just had a player complain about playing time, despite getting 92.6% of the promised minutes, fouling out twice and getting into foul trouble one other time. I don't feel like the coach should be held accountable for foul situations when it comes to promised playing time. It's like getting injured while not dressing for the games and then complaining you aren't starting

Solution: Keep your promises.

It's no secret promises have been more tightly policed in 3.0. You gambled and you lost.

Sounds like you still have time to fix it at least.

Posted by kcsundevil on 10/24/2018 10:45:00 PM (view original):

Posted by thewizard17 on 10/24/2018 9:17:00 PM (view original):
Just had a player complain about playing time, despite getting 92.6% of the promised minutes, fouling out twice and getting into foul trouble one other time. I don't feel like the coach should be held accountable for foul situations when it comes to promised playing time. It's like getting injured while not dressing for the games and then complaining you aren't starting

Solution: Keep your promises.

It's no secret promises have been more tightly policed in 3.0. You gambled and you lost.

Sounds like you still have time to fix it at least.

I don't really need the lecture, but thanks. I wasn't complaining, just stating a situation that had happened just recently and to use as an example something has changed in 3.0. Burp....excuse me.... had too much soda. It appeared to be a complaint, because, in my not so humble opinion, it should be on the player if he gets into foul trouble and then doesn't meet the required minutes. Just saying I don't think he would complain , IRL, if he was getting 24 minutes, despite being promised 25 and then fouling out a hand full of games, that's solely on the player.,,

I realize it's a game and you need to adjust. I knew I was getting the email. No WE drop so again not a huge deal.

It's just funny when you complain about things, because, you know, you cheated.

Posted by kcsundevil on 10/25/2018 12:22:00 AM (view original):
It's just funny when you complain about things, because, you know, you cheated.

Only cheating I've done is with your wife.

Posted by thewizard17 on 10/25/2018 1:04:00 AM (view original):

Posted by kcsundevil on 10/25/2018 12:22:00 AM (view original):
It's just funny when you complain about things, because, you know, you cheated.

Only cheating I've done is with your wife.

That doesn't really make sense, but I applaud your moxie.

Posted by kcsundevil on 10/25/2018 1:24:00 AM (view original):

Posted by thewizard17 on 10/25/2018 1:04:00 AM (view original):

Posted by kcsundevil on 10/25/2018 12:22:00 AM (view original):
It's just funny when you complain about things, because, you know, you cheated.

Only cheating I've done is with your wife.

That doesn't really make sense, but I applaud your moxie.

Ok, well have a good night...lol

This is just a personal opinion. But I think players should complain if you make a promise and don't fulfill it correctly. Because to me, if you promise a player minutes, that should be a minimum. They are 5 minutes apart. So if you promise a player 20 minutes, giving him 21 is not an amazing bonus. It's only a minute. But if you promised him 25 and he's getting 22.9 or something, then you are way off of the general promise. That's basically a 20 minute promise with some extra playing time thrown in.

I feel like when you make a promise, it's a general idea that you're AT LEAST going to get X minutes. And likely more. When discussing real life, if a coach promises a player 20 minutes, he's not watching the clock, and pulling him when 20 minutes is up, just to put a better player in. He's trying to win a game. So promised minutes should be looked at differently as a whole, when it comes to a coaches perspective.

Don't get me wrong, i skimp when I promise minutes too. And I do it often. But I understand when they complain.

Posted by topdogggbm on 10/25/2018 5:46:00 AM (view original):
This is just a personal opinion. But I think players should complain if you make a promise and don't fulfill it correctly. Because to me, if you promise a player minutes, that should be a minimum. They are 5 minutes apart. So if you promise a player 20 minutes, giving him 21 is not an amazing bonus. It's only a minute. But if you promised him 25 and he's getting 22.9 or something, then you are way off of the general promise. That's basically a 20 minute promise with some extra playing time thrown in.

I feel like when you make a promise, it's a general idea that you're AT LEAST going to get X minutes. And likely more. When discussing real life, if a coach promises a player 20 minutes, he's not watching the clock, and pulling him when 20 minutes is up, just to put a better player in. He's trying to win a game. So promised minutes should be looked at differently as a whole, when it comes to a coaches perspective.

Don't get me wrong, i skimp when I promise minutes too. And I do it often. But I understand when they complain.

Let's say you promise him 25 minutes per game, but he only averages 14 minutes for 3 of those 5 games, while fouling out in those 3 games. Maybe he's not a great defender and that team runs a full court press.

And then that same player plays 40 minutes for the other 2 games, it's not possible to play anymore, unless it goes into OT to play. 122/5=24.4 MPG

Should the coach still be responsible even though the coach played him every minute that he was eligible?

I know it's not likely to occur, but not totally impossible for that scenario to happen either.

If that situation were to happen in real life, I'm not sure the player complains, whether the coach is responsible or not.

Not in anyways, trying to be argumentative, but just sharing my opinion, respectfully.

And just for the record, even if he didn't foul out, he still would've probably complained, since I played him for about 15 minutes in 2 important games that I needed to win. So in my situation, that's on me.

However, I have had a couple of instances where another player was at 24.x minutes per game and still complained, while fouling out in at least 2 of those contests.

I can agree that the foul issue is a odd factor in promising minutes. I don't know how to get around that. And I don't have an opinion either way there.

But there's also this dynamic..... As a coach, you see his ATH, you know his DEF, you know his IQ as a freshman coming in basically. And you know what kind of competition you will be facing. In other words, to stretch this idea.... as a coach, you wouldn't offer 10 minutes to a 3rd grade player if it's an NBA team. Because as a coach, you evaluate that talent and feel like you can get him X minutes. Based on your willingness AND his abilities to compete

Players foul out and get benched for being in foul trouble. You know this when you make your promises. Big promises are a gamble, always have been.