Posted by combalt on 5/24/2022 5:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by chargingryno on 5/24/2022 4:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Jtpsops on 5/24/2022 3:31:00 PM (view original):
Is there a breakdown somewhere? Not doubting you, but it'd be interesting to see a ratio if possible. I still feel like a higher % of errors put people on, than - plays put people on.

The simple fact that some - plays are simply extra bases vs out to a hit means errors will have a higher percentage than - plays because 100% of errors in the sim put someone on-base, right?

No. It is a small number but at least some errors are of the variety of 'Player steals Y base and the throw sails into CF, all runners advance'

Ahh duh. Completely spaced on that.

Posted by just4me on 5/19/2022 1:57:00 PM (view original):
And to the original question, yes, RRF, will impact +/- plays differently from position to position. CF will see more for each RRF and get more chances in addition.

First of all ---

RRF	Relative range factor

Range Grade

Our internal rating ranking player RRF versus peers

According to ----

WhatIfSports.Com Baseball Statistics Legend ----- https://www.whatifsports.com/mlb-l/themewiz_stat_legend.asp

I searched "RRF" baseball and only SABR had an article on it as far as i can see ...

https://sabr.org/journal/article/measuring-defense-entering-the-zones-of-fielding-statistics/

Too much to copy and paste all but ... "Range Factor (RF) and Relative Range Factor (RRF). In 1976 Baseball Digest ran “Fielding Statistics Do Make Sense!” an article wherein the author, one Bill James, introduced Range Factor, a reincarnation of Al Wright’s fielding average (putouts added to assists and divided by games) .... (Paragraphs About Wrinkles)

James adjusted for these wrinkles in Relative Range Factor (RRF) which he introduced in a chapter in The Fielding Bible, twenty years after his original article on plain Range Factor. Using Defense Efficiency Record (see below), he also adjusted for team defense to compensate for the fewer opportunities that a given fielder is likely to have if he plays on a team with good defense ........... An important advantage of RRF is that can it be used for seasons as far back as 1876.

Approaching the All-star break in this league and thought I'd share the results so far.

I added every teams Errors and minus plays together, then subtracted their plus plays to get their NET FLD, and divided by games played to get AVG per game. 0.0 would be "zero net errors/minus plays a game", 1.0 would be "1 net error/minus play a game", etc. My team, Making You Earn A++ v.23 is the only team in the negative, at ".13 net plus plays per game". 79 games in, I am one of 5 teams with 50+ wins. Another interesting data point was the NP/G. My team is the lowest in the league with a 125.8 P/G, partly attributed to my pitchers low walk rates, but I would imagine the NET FLD plays a big role in this as well.

Team	NP/G	GP	W	E	+	-	FPCT	NET FLD (Errors+MinusPlays-PlusPlays)	AVG/G
Making You Earn A++ V.23	125.8	79	50	90	104	4	0.97	-10	-0.13
SWAMPMONKEYS RIDING SPACE MOUNTAI	128.1	79	54	56	49	16	0.981	23	0.29
The Polecats	134.8	79	40	61	45	21	0.98	37	0.47
Kendall ramblers	129.6	79	42	54	24	18	0.982	48	0.61
WDW 44	132.3	79	45	48	13	18	0.983	53	0.67
Walking Men I	131.4	79	50	67	33	24	0.978	58	0.73
Ari	145.2	79	22	50	29	38	0.983	59	0.75
Power Tops	131.9	79	40	69	33	24	0.978	60	0.76
Skinwalker	127.3	79	46	49	13	29	0.984	65	0.82
Medina Sod Abides	140.7	79	26	66	29	29	0.977	66	0.84
Lubbock Hubbers	129.7	79	47	52	9	29	0.982	72	0.91
LEAGUE AVERAGE	134.2	79	40	65	24	32	0.978	73	0.92
Mac24	129.5	79	50	102	38	9	0.968	73	0.92
Cubs	138.1	79	23	64	25	36	0.978	75	0.95
Dick Allen Robbed Of The HOF Again	131.2	79	53	80	37	36	0.974	79	1.00
Wonder Bats 2	140.4	79	22	49	3	34	0.983	80	1.01
I cant lose!	161.2	79	11	49	4	40	0.983	85	1.08
Slips Clips	134.2	79	38	70	23	39	0.977	86	1.09
Basement Dwellers	140.2	79	31	66	7	36	0.978	95	1.20
Wing Nuts	132.6	79	40	64	8	40	0.979	96	1.22
SCORE THEN SNORE	129.7	79	47	58	7	46	0.98	97	1.23
Chicks dig the long ball	133.2	79	45	80	12	31	0.974	99	1.25
Copying Another Team I Saw	129.9	79	37	88	27	42	0.97	103	1.30
EGBA11	130.4	79	47	47	7	71	0.985	111	1.41
yard dogs	134.3	79	42	85	5	46	0.972	126	1.59

Or, using the short-hand figures from my post above:

Your team has allowed 90 errors * 0.65 runs = 58.5 runs
4 "-" plays * 0.35 runs = 1.4 runs

104 + plays * 0.35 runs = 36.4 runs

For a net defensive value of 58.5+1.4-36.4=

23.5 runs allowed by your defense.

For the whole league that looks like this (sorted by defensive run values):

Team	W	E	+	-	E Run Val	- Run Val	+ Run Val	Def Runs
Making You Earn A++ V.23	50	90	104	4	58.5	1.4	36.4	23.5
SWAMPMONKEYS RIDING SPACE MOUNTAI	54	56	49	16	36.4	5.6	17.15	24.85
The Polecats	40	61	45	21	39.65	7.35	15.75	31.25
WDW 44	45	48	13	18	31.2	6.3	4.55	32.95
Kendall ramblers	42	54	24	18	35.1	6.3	8.4	33
Ari	22	50	29	38	32.5	13.3	10.15	35.65
Skinwalker	46	49	13	29	31.85	10.15	4.55	37.45
Walking Men I	50	67	33	24	43.55	8.4	11.55	40.4
Lubbock Hubbers	47	52	9	29	33.8	10.15	3.15	40.8
Power Tops	40	69	33	24	44.85	8.4	11.55	41.7
Wonder Bats 2	22	49	3	34	31.85	11.9	1.05	42.7
Medina Sod Abides	26	66	29	29	42.9	10.15	10.15	42.9
I cant lose!	11	49	4	40	31.85	14	1.4	44.45
LEAGUE AVERAGE	40	65	24	32	42.25	11.2	8.4	45.05
Cubs	23	64	25	36	41.6	12.6	8.75	45.45
Slips Clips	38	70	23	39	45.5	13.65	8.05	51.1
SCORE THEN SNORE	47	58	7	46	37.7	16.1	2.45	51.35
Dick Allen Robbed Of The HOF Again	53	80	37	36	52	12.6	12.95	51.65
Wing Nuts	40	64	8	40	41.6	14	2.8	52.8
EGBA11	47	47	7	71	30.55	24.85	2.45	52.95
Basement Dwellers	31	66	7	36	42.9	12.6	2.45	53.05
Mac24	50	102	38	9	66.3	3.15	13.3	56.15
Chicks dig the long ball	45	80	12	31	52	10.85	4.2	58.65
Copying Another Team I Saw	37	88	27	42	57.2	14.7	9.45	62.45
yard dogs	42	85	5	46	55.25	16.1	1.75	69.6

Which, puts three of those 50 win teams in the top 3rd of the league by defense

Posted by chargingryno on 5/24/2022 10:47:00 PM (view original):

Posted by combalt on 5/24/2022 5:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by chargingryno on 5/24/2022 4:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Jtpsops on 5/24/2022 3:31:00 PM (view original):
Is there a breakdown somewhere? Not doubting you, but it'd be interesting to see a ratio if possible. I still feel like a higher % of errors put people on, than - plays put people on.

The simple fact that some - plays are simply extra bases vs out to a hit means errors will have a higher percentage than - plays because 100% of errors in the sim put someone on-base, right?

No. It is a small number but at least some errors are of the variety of 'Player steals Y base and the throw sails into CF, all runners advance'

Ahh duh. Completely spaced on that.

There are also a small number of errors of the type 'Player X drops a foul ball and the batter returns to the plate.' Obviously those sometimes put people on but often don't. I'd forgotten about those but saw one recently.

I put all of my A++ teams in Baker Bowl or Hilltop.

Regular Season Batting SimStats (Totals)

Player	SN	B	G	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	BB	SO	HBP	SB	CS	AVG	OBP	SLG	OPS	STRK	L STRK
Clendenon, Donn	1965	R	87	391	66	122	16	7	11	67	23	63	6	0	0	.312	.360	.473	.833	1	10
Baker, Frank	1910	L	87	391	56	112	28	6	0	53	14	22	4	0	0	.286	.316	.389	.704	6	17
McGee, Willie	1990	S	87	391	80	126	25	5	1	47	26	51	3	23	5	.322	.369	.419	.788	5	13
Carey, Max	1921	S	87	380	78	117	28	0	5	59	42	21	1	31	12	.308	.378	.421	.799	2	10
Weaver, Buck	1913	S	87	358	44	123	24	3	2	57	5	34	4	0	0	.344	.358	.444	.802	0	14
Smith, Reggie	1969	S	87	357	82	133	27	5	17	102	33	33	2	0	0	.373	.425	.619	1.044	1	13
Kerins, John	1887	R	87	335	68	99	15	4	8	60	31	22	4	0	0	.296	.361	.436	.797	14	14
Egan, Dick	1909	R	87	323	42	102	13	2	2	57	25	10	2	0	0	.316	.363	.387	.750	1	11

My favorite A+ 1B options are 1965 Clendenon, 1956 Wally Moon, or 1887 Billy O’Brien (usually hits 30+ bombs too).

Been using Clendenon for years...he's always solid.