Let's see, I count 700 teams to choose from. There are 28 days left before the playoffs start (including today). This runs into Christmas. So that's a few days I won't be able to build teams. Some quick math shows that I would have to build roughly 28 teams per day (starting now) in order to research every team in every league. If it takes only 15 minutes to build a team, that's 7 hours per day. Going to have to take some short cuts.

Posted by barracuda3 on 12/5/2022 9:20:00 AM (view original):
A minor point, but in the team list the post-1957 Giants are being shown as New York rather than San Francisco.

Oops...sorry. Fixed now.

Posted by schwarze on 12/5/2022 4:42:00 PM (view original):
Let's see, I count 700 teams to choose from. There are 28 days left before the playoffs start (including today). This runs into Christmas. So that's a few days I won't be able to build teams. Some quick math shows that I would have to build roughly 28 teams per day (starting now) in order to research every team in every league. If it takes only 15 minutes to build a team, that's 7 hours per day. Going to have to take some short cuts.

Yes, this is the largest research undertaking I've ever attempted on this site. I thought that your 16x16 leagues entailed a lot of research, but those are child's play compared to this. For round 1 I purposely waited for the AL for each of my teams in order to decrease the number of teams I'd have to investigate, but there's no such shortcut here. This is going to be quite the slog.

I got a late start, but I got 13 teams done last night. So far, my shortcuts are:

(1) The roster-building is done once I have enough IPs and PAs (don't waste time worrying about the bench guys). I started in league 1, and it usually only took 4-5 pitchers to get enough innings.

(2) If a 4-team combo has a major deficiency, I typically stop the roster build and scrap the team. There are 45-50 team choices in each league, so scrapping 10-15 teams won't hurt.

If I can complete one league in two days, that means I'll be done in a month.

Posted by barracuda3 on 12/6/2022 12:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by schwarze on 12/5/2022 4:42:00 PM (view original):
Let's see, I count 700 teams to choose from. There are 28 days left before the playoffs start (including today). This runs into Christmas. So that's a few days I won't be able to build teams. Some quick math shows that I would have to build roughly 28 teams per day (starting now) in order to research every team in every league. If it takes only 15 minutes to build a team, that's 7 hours per day. Going to have to take some short cuts.

Yes, this is the largest research undertaking I've ever attempted on this site. I thought that your 16x16 leagues entailed a lot of research, but those are child's play compared to this. For round 1 I purposely waited for the AL for each of my teams in order to decrease the number of teams I'd have to investigate, but there's no such shortcut here. This is going to be quite the slog.

So you're saying don't wait until the drafts begin to start, like I often do especially when I know I won't be in every league?

Tough call on that because I'm currently advancing 7 teams and there are 15 leagues here. That's a lot of wasted research. Even if all 10 teams advance, a third of my research is to no end.

Also, and maybe I'm an outlier here, but there's zero chance I have anywhere near enough time to build 28 teams a day. I'll have to come up with a simplified rubric so I can rank the pairings somehow without actually doing full builds until I get to the draft and have some actual decisions to make.

Or...you guys could use the same research I do when I pick teams.

League One: Hmmm. that one looks good. Okay, next league - hmmm, that one looks good. Okay, next league - etc. etc. etc...

Posted by thejuice6 on 12/6/2022 6:26:00 PM (view original):
Or...you guys could use the same research I do when I pick teams.

League One: Hmmm. that one looks good. Okay, next league - hmmm, that one looks good. Okay, next league - etc. etc. etc...

Hey, if it ain't broke ...

It looks like 1887-1888 should be called the Cleveland Blues and not the Cleveland Spiders

There are a few instances of incorrect nicknames. Philadelphia Phillies --> Quakers is another. At some point, I was going to itemize them all, instead of piecemeal.

I believe I have all of the nickname errors corrected. It looks like though that I may have left out a combo in the 1885-1886 grouping. I'm going back to double-check it now - everything else "should" be okay.

EDIT: Sure enough - I forgot the mighty St. Louis Maroons. I'm going to fix the 1885-1886 grouping now.

Just a few more fixes:

2009-2010: New York Giants - Cleveland Indians
2021-2022: Cleveland Indians/Cleveland Guardians - Los Angeles HousAngels

Dammit! Fixed now.

Well, I determined early on that there is zero chance that I can build all 700 team groupings, even if I rely solely on the player database spreadsheet. So my new strategy is to use the spreadsheet to rank all the pitchers & hitters (min PA/IP) within each league, then indicate the top X% (X varies) in each league, then count how many of the Top X% of players each team grouping has, include total salary of those players. Sum this up for each team and sort within each league.

Then using this list as a general guide, start building rosters from those groupings near the top. Obviously, this is far from perfect, since there is duplication of players (can only use one clone), as well as no accounting for the "max 10-players from the top-team" rule. Regardless, I start building roughly 10-15 rosters (in each league) from the top team groupings of this list, but often scrap the roster in mid-build, usually due to too many players from one team. I end up with only about 5-6 rosters per league. I am almost through League #4. Hoping to get one league done per day.

Of course, once those 5-6 team groupings are selected from any specific league, I will need to do more roster building, but at least I have a starting point, especially for league selection for the top 30 overall round 1 teams. I will certainly miss some good options, especially if their team's total salary doesn't rank high, but maybe there is little duplication and their players fit together more perfectly. The top teams typically have the expensive studs, but the really bad teams have very little to offer. There may be better choices of team groupings that are more balanced (i.e., 8th/9th grouping may be a better option than 1st/16th).

This was a really cool theme idea than juice came up with.

I won't have near as many teams as you, so I'm going with a slightly simpler research approach for now. I'm hoping to move through all the leagues over the course of the rest of this season, but I've only managed most of League 1 through my first few days at it. Holidays should offer a bit more free time, though.

I search each pairing in the draft center (first doing all the pitching for a league, then all the hitting) and I make some simple notes on strengths/weaknesses/sure-fire clones and color code how strong I think each element is (Orange is spectacular, yellow is good, pale yellow is OK, no color means pass if at all possible). At least at a glance once it comes to my picks, I can see where there's some color I want to target and maybe build a few quick rosters at that point.

I have no idea if this is a good system, but it's largely what I have used before. This just has quite a lot more lines in the sheet to complete.

Overwhelmed looking at Rnd 2.