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fd343ny
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yup kinda like the first guy in the thread - awaiting a response from support about how this makes sense in the context of the announced criteria

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2/21/2010 1:55 PM
fd343ny
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support answers my ticket

While 72 for a PF isn't elite, he's pretty awesome in every other area.

to which I said

for DI or the NBA, 72 REB is downright poor - while he is good in other areas (or I wouldnt have him) that 72 would seem to me likely to keep him out of the top 10 or 20 PF.....

support replied

If he's good enough in other areas that can make up for one weakness (although it's hard to call 72 a weakness).

to which I replied

"hard to call 72 a weakness" suggests that you do not have a grasp of Division I HD
2/21/2010 8:22 PM
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Sounds like the exact way my ticket went when Turner . I totally agree that they have the abilities to go in other areas but it is hard to justify them going when there are numerous other players that have those same other skills but better rebounding. How many guys did you have leave fd343ny?
2/21/2010 9:03 PM
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just him - we had a bad year

final support statement:

"Thanks, we've answered your question."

yup, and support's comments show a lack of understanding of the game as it is played
2/21/2010 9:16 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by fd343ny on 2/21/2010just him - we had a bad yearfinal support statement:"Thanks, we've answered your question."yup, and support's comments show a lack of understanding of the game as it is played

Yup I love that one too, I always respond with "No you haven't, what makes you think you did?"
2/21/2010 9:23 PM
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Not that I am complaining, but I am so pleased and surprised that Phil Foley did not leave my Maryland Knight team. Guess that 89 in perimeter made him stay.....or our first round exit from the NT.....or maybe he really meant it when he promised his mom that he would stay for four years.

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2/22/2010 6:43 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By fd343ny on 2/21/2010
yup kinda like the first guy in the thread - awaiting a response from support about how this makes sense in the context of the announced criteria

Athleticism99
Speed66
Rebounding72
Defense94
Shot Blocking99
Low-post94
Perimeter36
Ball Handling53
Passing51
Work Ethic72
Stamina89
Durability84
FT ShootingA-


i would agree that 72RE should make him undraftable as a PF, but it looks to me like he would be a very good NBA SF. good enough to leave school early? prolly not, imho
2/22/2010 6:55 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By fd343ny on 2/14/2010
I'd be happier if EE were

1. much less common

2. more accurately foreshadowed in the recruiting process - so many guys get the "likely to leave early" message that it lacks predictive value

I think this is absolutely the crux of the problem. I've said repeatedly that they need to limit the number of "likely to leave early" to 20-25 kids per class (and not just guys #1-25 overall) and then ensure that those kids always leave early. I don't care if they use current criteria to determine if they leave after their FR, SO or JR seasons, but they are going to leave early.

If CS wanted to add another layer, they could put in something like a "Might leave early" that could affect another 50-60 kids a season, and if they started on an Elite 8 or better team, or was CPOY, or All-American, they could leave early.
2/22/2010 7:15 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By oldave on 2/22/2010
i would agree that 72RE should make him undraftable as a PF, but it looks to me like he would be a very good NBA SF. good enough to leave school early? prolly not, imh
Yup, and indeed SF was where we used him. Woulda been nice his senior year
2/22/2010 7:20 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By acn24 on 2/22/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By fd343ny on 2/14/2010

I'd be happier if EE were

1. much less common

2. more accurately foreshadowed in the recruiting process - so many guys get the "likely to leave early" message that it lacks predictive value

I think this is absolutely the crux of the problem. I've said repeatedly that they need to limit the number of "likely to leave early" to 20-25 kids per class (and not just guys #1-25 overall) and then ensure that those kids always leave early. I don't care if they use current criteria to determine if they leave after their FR, SO or JR seasons, but they are going to leave early.

If CS wanted to add another layer, they could put in something like a "Might leave early" that could affect another 50-60 kids a season, and if they started on an Elite 8 or better team, or was CPOY, or All-American, they could leave early.

I'd agree with what you said, but amend it slightly to say that some small group should have a VERY high chance of leaving (but some small chance they stay) and maybe a second - still small tier - would have a modest chance of leaving. Both should be flagged as such in evals.
2/22/2010 7:52 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 2/21/2010
Quote: Originally posted by fd343ny on 2/21/2010
just him - we had a bad year

final support statement:

"Thanks, we've answered your question."

yup, and support's comments show a lack of understanding of the game as it is played

Yup I love that one too, I always respond with "No you haven't, what makes you think you did?
truth is, I would have walked away from the discussion, figuring such is the way it goes, had support not tossed in the sillyass statement that 72 isnt weak.....that sort of grauitious foolishness is really not a wise approach to support communications
2/22/2010 12:08 PM
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Threads like these make me smile, so :)
2/22/2010 12:18 PM
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we should all send a ticket requesting that support people must:
1) actually play the game, at least 1 d1 team, at least 1 lower division team. or, if they only have a lower division team, they can not answer a d1 related question.

2) sign their name, so we can isolate and ignore the idiots, and actually value some of the feedback that comes from the people who have some idea what is going on. its not worth them hiding the idiots, because the end result is we devalue all CS responses, not knowing if it is a response from seble, or the mindless ramblings of somebody who has smoked entirely too much weed.
2/22/2010 12:21 PM
colonels19
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In all seriousness, don't be surprised if seble is the guy doing CS for HD. He and tinmanpb did it for the NBA sim while they were there, and I think seble still does CS for the NBA sim. Norbert did/does CS for the NFL sim, CRD and Soccer Dynasty. Problems seem to often result from hurt feelings.
2/22/2010 12:26 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By gillispie on 2/22/2010we should all send a ticket requesting that support people must:
1) actually play the game, at least 1 d1 team, at least 1 lower division team. or, if they only have a lower division team, they can not answer a d1 related question.

2) sign their name, so we can isolate and ignore the idiots, and actually value some of the feedback that comes from the people who have some idea what is going on. its not worth them hiding the idiots, because the end result is we devalue all CS responses, not knowing if it is a response from seble, or the mindless ramblings of somebody who has smoked entirely too much weed
I still do not understand why this isn't done.
2/22/2010 1:15 PM
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