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Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/19/2010
Ok, so you'd say it to alblack too, thus all coaches who haven't coached and recruited in D1 don't understand recruiting? Forget the fact that I've suggested any changes....do I know how to recruit and be successful at it or not, given that I'm 4 for 4 in getting recruits I sought? You are suggesting a drastic change that would also happen at d1, yes so therefore since you have not experienced d1 recruiting you can not say that you understand recruiting and how it would effect it.

Also, if you only have to show up every 6 hours to recruit, as you stated...then why not cut the number of recruiting cycles in half so instead of having a 3 hour recruiting cycle, you'd have a 6 hour recruiting cycle? Just because you only need to show up every 6 hours doesn't mean that that should be a cycle, if it were 6 hour cycles you would only have to show up every 12 hours. cutting back the cycles is not the answer to improving recruiting.

Everybody here can disagree with me that recruiting needs to be simplified and that's fine...again, to say I don't understand recruiting or know how to recruit is preposterous, given my relative success at it in the highest division I'm allowed to be in currently. You're really hating on 4 for 4?

1/19/2010 1:38 PM
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couple points. . . . .

first off, i have not checked out the recruits so i'm not making any judgements. . . colonels, a coach can go 4 for 4 in recruiting and suck at recruiting. i'm not saying you do, its just a valid statement. it depends upon the four recruits. a monkey can sign on, wait till signings, do an eval, HV, and offer a scholly to four undecided recruits.

it is BY NO MEANS difficult to sign four guys. anyone can sign four players. again, not saying you suck at recruit. . . . just that your thinking in that going 4 for 4 indicates success.

if a ML ballplayer went 4 for 4, you might say "great job". what if i then tell you he faced a 15 year old kid? cant make a determination...


next point. you cant make changes to recruiting based upon experience in one/two divisions. Recruiting is a world-wide event. So any changes affect coaches in DIII/DII/DI. If a coach has never coached in DII or DI, that coach cannot have a reasonable opinion about something that affects everyone. While something "might" be a great idea for DIII, that leaves out two thirds of the players...



as to your specific point of cutting down recruiting. Its wrong. Recruiting is THE most important part of this game. If i'm out of town or without internet access for a few days and dont gameplan, so be it. During recruiting, its a different story. I must get to a CPU. Having two day to get to a CPU before anyone signs should never go away. Also, recruiting is a strategic battle. ESPECIALLY at DI. There's been times where i've utilized every single 3-hr cycle in a 24 hour period. Yea, sick. But You gotta do what you gotta do. And WIS should never get rid of that by making recruiting shorter.. . . .

but basically, what i'm saying is that zhawks makes a valid point in that a coach who's never played in all three divisions cannot objectively decide whats best for the game as a whole
1/19/2010 1:52 PM
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Fair enough, I've already conceded that my recruiting thoughts won't be accepted...that's been cemented really and I'm not nor was I ever really pushing for them. I've accepted recruiting as is. To suggest that I don't know how to recruit or how WIS recruiting works is what I take exception with...that's flat ridiculous and a slap at my intelligence. Like I said by no means am I on the level of any good/mediocre recruiter here...but to say I don't get it is wrong. This is the classic case of Zach arguing, just to argue with colonels19.
1/19/2010 2:13 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/19/2010
Fair enough, I've already conceded that my recruiting thoughts won't be accepted...that's been cemented really and I'm not nor was I ever really pushing for them. I've accepted recruiting as is. To suggest that I don't know how to recruit or how WIS recruiting works is what I take exception with...that's flat ridiculous and a slap at my intelligence. You have done the same, so don't pull that on us. The point is you don't know how recruiting works because you haven't experienced it all. Never did I say thatyou were a poor recruiter, I only stated facts that are 100% true (and you agreed with). Like I said by no means am I on the level of any good/mediocre recruiter here...but to say I don't get it is wrong. This is the classic case of Zach arguing, just to argue with colonels19. Again, you fail to realize that this is 100% what this isn't.
1/19/2010 2:27 PM
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Then if we agree then why are you arguing? Recruiting isn't going to change, we both know that, I've accepted that, I understand recruiting but am not as good as you at it, the end.
1/19/2010 2:35 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/19/2010
Then if we agree then why are you arguing? Recruiting isn't going to change, we both know that, I've accepted that, I understand recruiting but am not as good as you at it, the end.
I don't think we agreed on anything that we were really talking about here.
1/19/2010 2:37 PM
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I only stated facts that are 100% true (and you agreed with).

That's what you said
1/19/2010 2:39 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/19/2010
I only stated facts that are 100% true (and you agreed with).

That's what you said

Refering to the fact that you had never coached D1 before and could not speak in "Understanding Recruiting"
1/19/2010 2:45 PM
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If you think I don't understand recruiting despite being relatively successful doing it, then you're wrong, the end, that's it for me. That's been my only point here.
1/19/2010 2:47 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/19/2010If you think I don't understand recruiting despite being relatively successful doing it, then you're wrong, the end, that's it for me. That's been my only point here
And that is exactly the point that you said we "agreed on" when in reality we were on opposite sides. You have not recruited at d1 and therefore can not speak to the fact that recruiting as a whole does not work and needs to be changed.
1/19/2010 2:48 PM
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The recruiting premise doesn't change, the core is the same for all 3 divisions.
1/19/2010 3:02 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by colonels19 on 1/19/2010If you think I don't understand recruiting despite being relatively successful doing it, then you're wrong, the end, that's it for me.  That's been my only point here.

Looking at your team you signed 2 SO. One was a guard with 20 ath/53 speed/ 29 per/ 48 BH and 45 passing. That is someone I *might* sign in div III, but is trash at your level.


your big has 32 ath/30 speed/68 reb and 39 lp. He is okay if he was a 4 yr player. Again, nothing special. His reb coming in would have been solid, but that is all.


The SO SF is the only good player you got, but all SF are average at everything with potential now.


The JR PF? 34 reb? really?




While you may be happy with them only 1 is average, 2 I would consider for my div III team and the 4th is 100% junk. I wouldn't say you've had much success at recruiting.
1/19/2010 3:03 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/19/2010The recruiting premise doesn't change, the core is the same for all 3 divisions
That is 100% incorrect.
1/19/2010 3:15 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 1/19/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/19/2010
If you think I don't understand recruiting despite being relatively successful doing it, then you're wrong, the end, that's it for me. That's been my only point here.
And that is exactly the point that you said we "agreed on" when in reality we were on opposite sides. You have not recruited at d1 and therefore can not speak to the fact that recruiting as a whole does not work and needs to be changed
Um COlonels, I knwo where you are coming from, having made your very argument before I got to D1. . but Zhawks is right.
1/19/2010 4:19 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/19/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By a_in_the_b on 1/19/2010

I don't think its an urge to be right, I think, in an important distinction, its the urge to WIN rather than to be right.

Its virtually the same thing, if you're right, you win
Really, Colonels, its not the same thign at all> YOu can 'win' if someone just gives up. But it won't make you be right.



1/19/2010 4:21 PM
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