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Posted by cccp1014 on 8/14/2018 1:32:00 PM (view original):
I don't think BHO was a good POTUS?

IMO

1. When he left office the country was very divided - see BLM. See the election of Trump.
2. He empowered Iran and alienated Israel (you know that is a hot button for me)
3. Democrats lost more than one thousand seats in state legislatures, governorships, and Congress during his time in office. In fact. More Democratic state legislative seats were lost under Obama than under any president in modern history.
4. ISIS rose on his watch
5. Benghazi happened on his watch
6. Debt levels increased to historic proportions on his watch with no plan of reduction. Specifically the national debt rose from $11.5Trn to $20Trn, despite tax increases on upper-income families, small businesses, investors, smokers, etc meanwhile, millions of additional Americans fell below the poverty line and the number of food stamp recipients increased significantly.
7. ACA was a disaster. ~27 million Americans are still without health insurance, and many of the newly insured have just been added to Medicaid. It didn’t reduce cost as promised and it sent premiums and deductibles skyrocketing.
8. Wasted taxpayer $$ on s Clash for Clunkers and Solyndra (both failed miserably).
9. Over promoted PC culture. Now we cannot assume people's genders. The whole gender neutral bathroom.
10. Did nothing about Russia taking Crimea.

When he left office the country was very divided - see BLM. See the election of Trump.

This isn't his fault. What could Obama have done to prevent this? Not much.

He empowered Iran and alienated Israel (you know that is a hot button for me)

I disagree. You can feel differently.

Democrats lost more than one thousand seats in state legislatures, governorships, and Congress during his time in office. In fact. More Democratic state legislative seats were lost under Obama than under any president in modern history.

That doesn't make him a bad president. Give me a time that a sitting President's party didn't lose seats during their term. You'd have to go back a ways. Republicans are going to do the same.

ISIS/Benghazi rose/happened on his watch

Not his fault. At all.

ACA was a disaster. ~27 million Americans are still without health insurance, and many of the newly insured have just been added to Medicaid. It didn’t reduce cost as promised and it sent premiums and deductibles skyrocketing.

ACA wasn't a disaster. Without it, my family, and many other families, wouldn't have affordable healthcare. More people got healthcare. With that said, it could have been better.

Over promoted PC culture. Now we cannot assume people's genders. The whole gender neutral bathroom.

Just don't be an ******* to people and you are fine. Again, he doesn't control this.


The only legitimate reasons you have here are 6 and 10. He isn't CLOSE to the worst president ever. Neither is Trump. Obama is above average, albeit slightly. You need to read up on some history. We have had far worse Presidents than Obama. If you think he is the worst than you have an extreme case of tunnel vision.

All my reasons are legit. You just disagree with their legitimacy. LOL. He actually gave $$ to Iran and he did alienate Israel. These are not in dispute. All my reasons happened on his watch. We can debate if they were truly his fault or not. That is fair.

More Democratic state legislative seats were lost under Obama than under any president in modern history.

Are you disputing that my 10 happened on his watch? Y or N?

I'm not. My points were that most of them were not his fault. Some are not reasons to be the worst president ever, more like small slights. Debate me.

Posted by bad_luck on 8/14/2018 1:52:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/14/2018 1:47:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 8/14/2018 1:46:00 PM (view original):

Stevens won a title? Do tell.

I'm not talking about Stevens. I'm talking about Trump. You wouldn't hire him to coach the Celtics, correct?

NFW. No. But many scoffed at Ainge for hiring Stevens. Sometimes you have to think outside the box.

You wouldn't hire Trump to run a basketball team but you think it's great that he holds the most powerful, most difficult job in the entire world?

Did you have a stroke? Are you suffering from dementia?

Ahhh...wait. You said COACH. I would hire him all day to be the President of operations. To coach you need a specific skill set. I would not want Obama or Bush or Kerry or Clinton to coach the Celtics either. False equivalency. You're dumb.

Posted by tangplay on 8/14/2018 1:49:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by cccp1014 on 8/14/2018 1:34:00 PM (view original):
That is one of the reasons and I never denied it. You support AOC, who is scared to debate Shapiro and stated that request was equivalent to cat calling.

Scary....

I support AOC. I wish she would debate Shapiro. Not doing it is really, really dumb. Shapiro would probably come out on top, not least because dumbasses online will say he wins no matter what he says.

What? How is it dumb to not debate Shapiro? He's a nobody. Should Trump debate me? She doesn't owe him a debate even if he was going to debate in good faith, which he won't do.

How old are you exactly? Because you seem like you might be 13.

You don't think it changed public opinion? Of course she doesn't owe Shapiro a debate. It also isn't a good look.

I am 24.

She's going to win her district with 90% of the vote. Blowing Shapiro off is the right move. Don't give him attention he doesn't deserve.

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/14/2018 1:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 8/14/2018 1:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 8/14/2018 1:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 8/14/2018 1:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/14/2018 1:34:00 PM (view original):
That is one of the reasons and I never denied it. You support AOC, who is scared to debate Shapiro and stated that request was equivalent to cat calling.

Scary....

I support AOC. I wish she would debate Shapiro. Not doing it is really, really dumb. Shapiro would probably come out on top, not least because dumbasses online will say he wins no matter what he says.

What? How is it dumb to not debate Shapiro? He's a nobody. Should Trump debate me? She doesn't owe him a debate even if he was going to debate in good faith, which he won't do.

How old are you exactly? Because you seem like you might be 13.

You don't think it changed public opinion? Of course she doesn't owe Shapiro a debate. It also isn't a good look.

I am 24.

If Ben is a nobody then why did she respond and stated he was cat calling her? Even Dems said she was out of line. Cat calling?!?!?!? Are you kidding me?

Dude, I agree with you. What she did might be one of the worst possible responses she could have taken.

Posted by tangplay on 8/14/2018 1:54:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by cccp1014 on 8/14/2018 1:32:00 PM (view original):
I don't think BHO was a good POTUS?

IMO

1. When he left office the country was very divided - see BLM. See the election of Trump.
2. He empowered Iran and alienated Israel (you know that is a hot button for me)
3. Democrats lost more than one thousand seats in state legislatures, governorships, and Congress during his time in office. In fact. More Democratic state legislative seats were lost under Obama than under any president in modern history.
4. ISIS rose on his watch
5. Benghazi happened on his watch
6. Debt levels increased to historic proportions on his watch with no plan of reduction. Specifically the national debt rose from $11.5Trn to $20Trn, despite tax increases on upper-income families, small businesses, investors, smokers, etc meanwhile, millions of additional Americans fell below the poverty line and the number of food stamp recipients increased significantly.
7. ACA was a disaster. ~27 million Americans are still without health insurance, and many of the newly insured have just been added to Medicaid. It didn’t reduce cost as promised and it sent premiums and deductibles skyrocketing.
8. Wasted taxpayer $$ on s Clash for Clunkers and Solyndra (both failed miserably).
9. Over promoted PC culture. Now we cannot assume people's genders. The whole gender neutral bathroom.
10. Did nothing about Russia taking Crimea.

When he left office the country was very divided - see BLM. See the election of Trump.

This isn't his fault. What could Obama have done to prevent this? Not much.

He empowered Iran and alienated Israel (you know that is a hot button for me)

I disagree. You can feel differently.

Democrats lost more than one thousand seats in state legislatures, governorships, and Congress during his time in office. In fact. More Democratic state legislative seats were lost under Obama than under any president in modern history.

That doesn't make him a bad president. Give me a time that a sitting President's party didn't lose seats during their term. You'd have to go back a ways. Republicans are going to do the same.

ISIS/Benghazi rose/happened on his watch

Not his fault. At all.

ACA was a disaster. ~27 million Americans are still without health insurance, and many of the newly insured have just been added to Medicaid. It didn’t reduce cost as promised and it sent premiums and deductibles skyrocketing.

ACA wasn't a disaster. Without it, my family, and many other families, wouldn't have affordable healthcare. More people got healthcare. With that said, it could have been better.

Over promoted PC culture. Now we cannot assume people's genders. The whole gender neutral bathroom.

Just don't be an ******* to people and you are fine. Again, he doesn't control this.


The only legitimate reasons you have here are 6 and 10. He isn't CLOSE to the worst president ever. Neither is Trump. Obama is above average, albeit slightly. You need to read up on some history. We have had far worse Presidents than Obama. If you think he is the worst than you have an extreme case of tunnel vision.

All my reasons are legit. You just disagree with their legitimacy. LOL. He actually gave $$ to Iran and he did alienate Israel. These are not in dispute. All my reasons happened on his watch. We can debate if they were truly his fault or not. That is fair.

More Democratic state legislative seats were lost under Obama than under any president in modern history.

Are you disputing that my 10 happened on his watch? Y or N?

I'm not. My points were that most of them were not his fault. Some are not reasons to be the worst president ever, more like small slights. Debate me.

That is fair. We can debate them. Which one would you like to debate first. But I am glad we agreed that all 10 happened on his watch and you agree with me on this.

Posted by bad_luck on 8/14/2018 1:55:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by cccp1014 on 8/14/2018 1:34:00 PM (view original):
That is one of the reasons and I never denied it. You support AOC, who is scared to debate Shapiro and stated that request was equivalent to cat calling.

Scary....

I support AOC. I wish she would debate Shapiro. Not doing it is really, really dumb. Shapiro would probably come out on top, not least because dumbasses online will say he wins no matter what he says.

What? How is it dumb to not debate Shapiro? He's a nobody. Should Trump debate me? She doesn't owe him a debate even if he was going to debate in good faith, which he won't do.

How old are you exactly? Because you seem like you might be 13.

You don't think it changed public opinion? Of course she doesn't owe Shapiro a debate. It also isn't a good look.

I am 24.

She's going to win her district with 90% of the vote. Blowing Shapiro off is the right move. Don't give him attention he doesn't deserve.

She didn't blow him off. She gave him attention by responding.

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/14/2018 1:55:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by cccp1014 on 8/14/2018 1:47:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 8/14/2018 1:46:00 PM (view original):

Stevens won a title? Do tell.

I'm not talking about Stevens. I'm talking about Trump. You wouldn't hire him to coach the Celtics, correct?

NFW. No. But many scoffed at Ainge for hiring Stevens. Sometimes you have to think outside the box.

You wouldn't hire Trump to run a basketball team but you think it's great that he holds the most powerful, most difficult job in the entire world?

Did you have a stroke? Are you suffering from dementia?

Ahhh...wait. You said COACH. I would hire him all day to be the President of operations. To coach you need a specific skill set. I would not want Obama or Bush or Kerry or Clinton to coach the Celtics either. False equivalency. You're dumb.

I used run as a stand in for coach & GM.

You know you need a specific skill set to be President too, right? Trump doesn't have that either.

Posted by tangplay on 8/14/2018 1:55:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/14/2018 1:53:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by tangplay on 8/14/2018 1:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/14/2018 1:34:00 PM (view original):
That is one of the reasons and I never denied it. You support AOC, who is scared to debate Shapiro and stated that request was equivalent to cat calling.

Scary....

I support AOC. I wish she would debate Shapiro. Not doing it is really, really dumb. Shapiro would probably come out on top, not least because dumbasses online will say he wins no matter what he says.

What? How is it dumb to not debate Shapiro? He's a nobody. Should Trump debate me? She doesn't owe him a debate even if he was going to debate in good faith, which he won't do.

How old are you exactly? Because you seem like you might be 13.

You don't think it changed public opinion? Of course she doesn't owe Shapiro a debate. It also isn't a good look.

I am 24.

If Ben is a nobody then why did she respond and stated he was cat calling her? Even Dems said she was out of line. Cat calling?!?!?!? Are you kidding me?

Dude, I agree with you. What she did might be one of the worst possible responses she could have taken.

Holy Moly Tang. You sound as though you've finally gained some common sense. So you disagree with Bad Luck on this? WOW! I thought you two were two peas in a pod.

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/14/2018 1:56:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by cccp1014 on 8/14/2018 1:32:00 PM (view original):
I don't think BHO was a good POTUS?

IMO

1. When he left office the country was very divided - see BLM. See the election of Trump.
2. He empowered Iran and alienated Israel (you know that is a hot button for me)
3. Democrats lost more than one thousand seats in state legislatures, governorships, and Congress during his time in office. In fact. More Democratic state legislative seats were lost under Obama than under any president in modern history.
4. ISIS rose on his watch
5. Benghazi happened on his watch
6. Debt levels increased to historic proportions on his watch with no plan of reduction. Specifically the national debt rose from $11.5Trn to $20Trn, despite tax increases on upper-income families, small businesses, investors, smokers, etc meanwhile, millions of additional Americans fell below the poverty line and the number of food stamp recipients increased significantly.
7. ACA was a disaster. ~27 million Americans are still without health insurance, and many of the newly insured have just been added to Medicaid. It didn’t reduce cost as promised and it sent premiums and deductibles skyrocketing.
8. Wasted taxpayer $$ on s Clash for Clunkers and Solyndra (both failed miserably).
9. Over promoted PC culture. Now we cannot assume people's genders. The whole gender neutral bathroom.
10. Did nothing about Russia taking Crimea.

When he left office the country was very divided - see BLM. See the election of Trump.

This isn't his fault. What could Obama have done to prevent this? Not much.

He empowered Iran and alienated Israel (you know that is a hot button for me)

I disagree. You can feel differently.

Democrats lost more than one thousand seats in state legislatures, governorships, and Congress during his time in office. In fact. More Democratic state legislative seats were lost under Obama than under any president in modern history.

That doesn't make him a bad president. Give me a time that a sitting President's party didn't lose seats during their term. You'd have to go back a ways. Republicans are going to do the same.

ISIS/Benghazi rose/happened on his watch

Not his fault. At all.

ACA was a disaster. ~27 million Americans are still without health insurance, and many of the newly insured have just been added to Medicaid. It didn’t reduce cost as promised and it sent premiums and deductibles skyrocketing.

ACA wasn't a disaster. Without it, my family, and many other families, wouldn't have affordable healthcare. More people got healthcare. With that said, it could have been better.

Over promoted PC culture. Now we cannot assume people's genders. The whole gender neutral bathroom.

Just don't be an ******* to people and you are fine. Again, he doesn't control this.


The only legitimate reasons you have here are 6 and 10. He isn't CLOSE to the worst president ever. Neither is Trump. Obama is above average, albeit slightly. You need to read up on some history. We have had far worse Presidents than Obama. If you think he is the worst than you have an extreme case of tunnel vision.

All my reasons are legit. You just disagree with their legitimacy. LOL. He actually gave $$ to Iran and he did alienate Israel. These are not in dispute. All my reasons happened on his watch. We can debate if they were truly his fault or not. That is fair.

More Democratic state legislative seats were lost under Obama than under any president in modern history.

Are you disputing that my 10 happened on his watch? Y or N?

I'm not. My points were that most of them were not his fault. Some are not reasons to be the worst president ever, more like small slights. Debate me.

That is fair. We can debate them. Which one would you like to debate first. But I am glad we agreed that all 10 happened on his watch and you agree with me on this.

You need to prove that 1, 4, 5, and 9 were his fault, and that 2, 3, and 8 are reasons to be considered the worst president ever.

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Posted by tangplay on 8/14/2018 1:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/14/2018 1:34:00 PM (view original):
That is one of the reasons and I never denied it. You support AOC, who is scared to debate Shapiro and stated that request was equivalent to cat calling.

Scary....

I support AOC. I wish she would debate Shapiro. Not doing it is really, really dumb. Shapiro would probably come out on top, not least because dumbasses online will say he wins no matter what he says.

What? How is it dumb to not debate Shapiro? He's a nobody. Should Trump debate me? She doesn't owe him a debate even if he was going to debate in good faith, which he won't do.

How old are you exactly? Because you seem like you might be 13.

You don't think it changed public opinion? Of course she doesn't owe Shapiro a debate. It also isn't a good look.

I am 24.

If Ben is a nobody then why did she respond and stated he was cat calling her? Even Dems said she was out of line. Cat calling?!?!?!? Are you kidding me?

Dude, I agree with you. What she did might be one of the worst possible responses she could have taken.

Holy Moly Tang. You sound as though you've finally gained some common sense. So you disagree with Bad Luck on this? WOW! I thought you two were two peas in a pod.

If you have been paying attention, I actually disagree with BL a lot.

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/14/2018 1:53:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by tangplay on 8/14/2018 1:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/14/2018 1:34:00 PM (view original):
That is one of the reasons and I never denied it. You support AOC, who is scared to debate Shapiro and stated that request was equivalent to cat calling.

Scary....

I support AOC. I wish she would debate Shapiro. Not doing it is really, really dumb. Shapiro would probably come out on top, not least because dumbasses online will say he wins no matter what he says.

What? How is it dumb to not debate Shapiro? He's a nobody. Should Trump debate me? She doesn't owe him a debate even if he was going to debate in good faith, which he won't do.

How old are you exactly? Because you seem like you might be 13.

You don't think it changed public opinion? Of course she doesn't owe Shapiro a debate. It also isn't a good look.

I am 24.

If Ben is a nobody then why did she respond and stated he was cat calling her? Even Dems said she was out of line. Cat calling?!?!?!? Are you kidding me?

She didn't say he WAS catcalling her, she said "like catcalling" she doesn't owe a response.

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Posted by bad_luck on 8/14/2018 1:46:00 PM (view original):

Stevens won a title? Do tell.

I'm not talking about Stevens. I'm talking about Trump. You wouldn't hire him to coach the Celtics, correct?

NFW. No. But many scoffed at Ainge for hiring Stevens. Sometimes you have to think outside the box.

You wouldn't hire Trump to run a basketball team but you think it's great that he holds the most powerful, most difficult job in the entire world?

Did you have a stroke? Are you suffering from dementia?

Ahhh...wait. You said COACH. I would hire him all day to be the President of operations. To coach you need a specific skill set. I would not want Obama or Bush or Kerry or Clinton to coach the Celtics either. False equivalency. You're dumb.

I used run as a stand in for coach & GM.

You know you need a specific skill set to be President too, right? Trump doesn't have that either.

Don't trip back pedaling. I specifically said Stevens, the coach and you equated him to Trump. But nice try.

I would hire Trump to be the President. Hell I think I could be a better President/GM than half the NBA dumbasses. Like the dude in Cleveland who just gave Love $150million guaranteed so that Cleveland can miss the playoffs but not be in the top 3 for a game changing player. LOL. NBA is full of bad Presidents/GMs. I think Trump would be better than half of them. But then so would I.

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Posted by bad_luck on 8/14/2018 1:46:00 PM (view original):

Stevens won a title? Do tell.

I'm not talking about Stevens. I'm talking about Trump. You wouldn't hire him to coach the Celtics, correct?

NFW. No. But many scoffed at Ainge for hiring Stevens. Sometimes you have to think outside the box.

You wouldn't hire Trump to run a basketball team but you think it's great that he holds the most powerful, most difficult job in the entire world?

Did you have a stroke? Are you suffering from dementia?

Ahhh...wait. You said COACH. I would hire him all day to be the President of operations. To coach you need a specific skill set. I would not want Obama or Bush or Kerry or Clinton to coach the Celtics either. False equivalency. You're dumb.

I used run as a stand in for coach & GM.

You know you need a specific skill set to be President too, right? Trump doesn't have that either.

Don't trip back pedaling. I specifically said Stevens, the coach and you equated him to Trump. But nice try.

I would hire Trump to be the President. Hell I think I could be a better President/GM than half the NBA dumbasses. Like the dude in Cleveland who just gave Love $150million guaranteed so that Cleveland can miss the playoffs but not be in the top 3 for a game changing player. LOL. NBA is full of bad Presidents/GMs. I think Trump would be better than half of them. But then so would I.

We all know Trump couldn't successfully run a basketball team because he refuses to hire black people.

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Posted by strikeout26 on 8/13/2018 8:47:00 PM (view original):
Is that what we're calling them now?

Hey Baby, wanna show me yer economic ideas????

Lol

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Posted by cccp1014 on 8/14/2018 1:34:00 PM (view original):
That is one of the reasons and I never denied it. You support AOC, who is scared to debate Shapiro and stated that request was equivalent to cat calling.

Scary....

I support AOC. I wish she would debate Shapiro. Not doing it is really, really dumb. Shapiro would probably come out on top, not least because dumbasses online will say he wins no matter what he says.

What? How is it dumb to not debate Shapiro? He's a nobody. Should Trump debate me? She doesn't owe him a debate even if he was going to debate in good faith, which he won't do.

How old are you exactly? Because you seem like you might be 13.

You don't think it changed public opinion? Of course she doesn't owe Shapiro a debate. It also isn't a good look.

I am 24.

If Ben is a nobody then why did she respond and stated he was cat calling her? Even Dems said she was out of line. Cat calling?!?!?!? Are you kidding me?

She didn't say he WAS catcalling her, she said "like catcalling" she doesn't owe a response.

She equated it to cat calling. And she obviously thought she owed a response.

Ben has 1.5 mil followers on Twitter (twice as many as AOC). He runs the 2nd to the top podcast on itunes (Oprah is #1).

He is pretty relevant.