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Quote: Originally Posted By mmt0315 on 11/19/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By gator993 on 11/19/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By kneeneighbor on 11/19/2009

Okay cash game .05/.10. Averge buy in is around 4 bucks.

I had been playing for a while and this was the last hand I would play for the night as the blinds were coming and I needed to head to the air port.

KQ under the gun, 5 players at the table. One monster stack in the SB, BB is average stack and the two others have a buck and change. I have 4.17.

I raise to .35, next player raises all in to about 1.12, and the next goes right up all in at 1.40. Blinds fold... The two all in guys have been playing some week hands over the past hour (hence their deminished stacks)

What should I have done here?

I probably fold. No reason to race 2 hands with a marginal hand.



Take this answer with a grain of salt because I am hyperaggressive when I play cash games. I almost never limp unless at a super aggressive table where I know I can limp with AA/KK and get raised by later position.

In you situation I call. Youre getting 3:1 on your money, are still in the game with a comfortable stack if you lose, and are probably up against a small pair and A rag or something. This granted is going off you saying theyve played marginal hands.

The other reason for calling is to let the table know they you arent simply going to fold to a reraise and are willing to call with hands like KQ...it will allow you to get away with raising more hands later in the game as they would be less likely to pop you without a premium hand and will also help you better define others ranger later in the game.

This of course assumes they are paying attention.

i prob call most of the time in this situation as well.
11/19/2009 11:14 AM
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11/19/2009 11:26 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By mmt0315 on 11/19/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By gator993 on 11/19/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By kneeneighbor on 11/19/2009

Okay cash game .05/.10. Averge buy in is around 4 bucks.

I had been playing for a while and this was the last hand I would play for the night as the blinds were coming and I needed to head to the air port.

KQ under the gun, 5 players at the table. One monster stack in the SB, BB is average stack and the two others have a buck and change. I have 4.17.

I raise to .35, next player raises all in to about 1.12, and the next goes right up all in at 1.40. Blinds fold... The two all in guys have been playing some week hands over the past hour (hence their deminished stacks)

What should I have done here?

I probably fold. No reason to race 2 hands with a marginal hand.



Take this answer with a grain of salt because I am hyperaggressive when I play cash games. I almost never limp unless at a super aggressive table where I know I can limp with AA/KK and get raised by later position.

In you situation I call. Youre getting 3:1 on your money, are still in the game with a comfortable stack if you lose, and are probably up against a small pair and A rag or something. This granted is going off you saying theyve played marginal hands.

The other reason for calling is to let the table know they you arent simply going to fold to a reraise and are willing to call with hands like KQ...it will allow you to get away with raising more hands later in the game as they would be less likely to pop you without a premium hand and will also help you better define others ranger later in the game.

This of course assumes they are paying attention.



Its his last hand so table image is no reason to call. Its a .05./.1 table and there is so many better spots to get your money in then with KQ against 2 players. Could easily be drawing to 3 outs.

I think its an easy fold.
11/19/2009 11:27 AM
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I took the last hand at the table out of the equation and answered in a general sense. As Tyler said...1 person snap call. Two can go either way from the sound of things I dont think hes drawing to three outs. But that is part of the equation which must be factored.
11/19/2009 11:29 AM
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I lean more to mmt's view. I see at least one of the all-ins to be a baby-pair or a mid-pair. A legitimate powerhouse hand would just call and try to suck in the blinds as well. The all-in from the button is likely to isolate, and might be Ax. Again, if the button had AA or KK or even AK, he'd likely just call and hope the blinds come along for the ride.

The other big reason is that IT'S JUST A BUCK TO CALL!!!
11/19/2009 11:30 AM
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That's why analyzing hands at .05/.10 level is kinda difficult because some people just throw money like it's confetti, not caring about good play or pot odds or anything like that.
11/19/2009 11:31 AM
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I was thinking I'd take a night off tonight, and just watch Flash Forward, Fringe, and play Madden. But I'm getting the poker bug back (as evidenced by the 8 or 10 tourneys I played last night), and all this chat is making me think I'll have to play at least a few.
11/19/2009 11:32 AM
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I see the chance of one of the raisers having a premium hand as pretty good.

The way a lot of shortstackers play is to wait for a prime spot, double up, leave, and repeat. Then again, knee implied they'd lost a lot playing loose, so I guess the odds are that neither are traditional shortstackers, but rather players that are just losing.

It still seems like AQ/AK take up a large percentage of their range.

I think a call is reasonable, but I probably timebank fold, partly because I'd be tempted to call and partly to build a tight image.
11/19/2009 11:36 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By toddcommish on 11/19/2009That's why analyzing hands at .05/.10 level is kinda difficult because some people just throw money like it's confetti, not caring about good play or pot odds or anything like that
agreed but knowing a buck is a large chunk of knees bankroll I think its a fold.
11/19/2009 11:37 AM
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Also, I know play is bad at .05/.10, but how low can the range of that 2nd all-in guy really reach here? 66+, AT+, Axs, KJ+?
11/19/2009 11:38 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By tylermathias on 11/19/2009I was thinking I'd take a night off tonight, and just watch Flash Forward, Fringe, and play Madden. But I'm getting the poker bug back (as evidenced by the 8 or 10 tourneys I played last night), and all this chat is making me think I'll have to play at least a few
I'll def. be there tonight. want to get in on a cash out and maybe a couple of the larger $3KO tourneys.
11/19/2009 11:41 AM
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ok Heres a hand from last night. First hand of a 2.20 donkament

Full Tilt Poker Game #16128965069: $2 + $0.20 Tournament (118478333), Table 4 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:51:00 ET - 2009/11/18
Seat 1: Braveyoda (1,500)
Seat 2: DeFend76 (1,500)
Seat 3: MOKA174 (1,500)
Seat 4: Gator00 (1,500)
Seat 5: mjr79 (1,500)
Seat 6: roblegrand (1,500)
Braveyoda posts the small blind of 15
DeFend76 posts the big blind of 30
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gator00 [Td Ac]
MOKA174 has 15 seconds to act
MOKA174 calls 30
Gator00 has 15 seconds to act
Gator00 raises to 120
mjr79 folds
roblegrand folds
Braveyoda folds
DeFend76 has 15 seconds to act
DeFend76 calls 90
MOKA174 has 15 seconds to act
MOKA174 calls 90
*** FLOP *** [Ts 9c 7c]
DeFend76 bets 30
MOKA174 folds
Gator00 raises to 465
DeFend76 raises to 1,380, and is all in
Gator00 ???
11/19/2009 11:41 AM
tylermathias
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I'd be putting him on a draw, for sure. The paranoid monkey that lives in my brain would be afraid the guy defended J8 or TT. Gotta think he'd re-pop you pre-flop with QQ, KK, AA, but I guess JJ is a possibility.

I think a call was the right move in a donkament, but I'd have probably folded.
11/19/2009 11:48 AM
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I'd fold..even with top pair top kicker. The guy was more than likely chasing but with flush and straight draws there, I'm not going to risk chips to find out. Especially since it's the first hand.

Now since you went out on the first hand, I know you did call and busted because he was sitting on 88 or A6 and caught the card he needed on the river
11/19/2009 11:49 AM
tylermathias
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Ok, the Daily Double bonus was only 27 and change, so I think my roll's at about $115-$120. I should probably try to shift into following a modified version of Ferguson's bankroll management now. Even under his rules, I could now play $2.20 mtt's barely. Maybe I'll try to cap it at $3.30, since I'm mtt-centric. I could play up to $5.50 sng's, and buy into cash games with $6. Maybe I'll mix it up and do a little of everything tonight and this weekend.
11/19/2009 12:01 PM
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