I don't think they are 'needed.' Just know other leagues have some limits. Let's say $15 million max contract, as an example. Prevents teams from blasting a ton of payroll, gearing up for a run, then bailing.

Also, budget transfers could prevent tanking where you are transferring an insane amount of money to international prospects, etc.

Again, not sure we need that stuff, just wanted a healthy discussion.

Will - No draft - random teams are assigned

The league i just joined and many ive read about just have anti tanking limits. If you finish below a certain win level at the ML level 2 years in a row you get kicked out of the league. That would be a disincentive to blow all your payroll on prospects.

In year one everyone is limited to 20mil or less on prospect budget, so thats not an area where a rule has to be developed right now anyway.

I do hate the idiots that sign the 5 yr 20 mil per contracts and then abandon their teams. But i hate the idea of telling people how to do business.

And yes, teams are randomly generated, and are not all made equal. Coaches are randomly assigned. Amateur Draft order is randomly assigned.

jshirley, you can transfer money to prospect budget so you can go above 20 mil. But I do think that the win floors will take care of tanking. I also think that there are guys who deserve $110 mill over 5 years.

I'm not saying certain guys don't deserve that $. Just if the league rules said no contracts over $15 mil a year, then it could help everyone in player budgets and help bring in new owners when people bail.

Again, not saying I want this, just want discussion

I understand where you are coming from but I do not think it is a good idea to put a limit on contracts. What does everyone else think? I am willing to listen.

Generally, I don't think a rule limiting contracts is needed. There's already a limit, lowering it just creates a new "high end" standard. I also agree that some guys deserve the max.

There are other ways to bring in new owners when needed, I feel. If we are running a high quality world, and keep a little patience in filling the spots...we shouldn't have a need for additional limits.

It could be an idea to continually revisit every few seasons though.

I am opposed to limits. I have, in one case, given a 5 year contract at $20 Mil per year to a 28 year old infielder who has been worth every penny.

Whatever the limit some owners will give bad long term contracts (i.e $14 Mil per year for 3 years to a 35 year old mediocre pitcher etc.) just like in real life. The crime is when multiple bad long term contracts are given and the owner bails after 1 or 2 years leaving a team with high salaries but that is very diificult to police. Limits will, IMHO, just place unnecessary constraints on good owners while not really doing much to impede bad owners

The commissioner and/or Board will just have to be careful in screening replacement owners to look for and avoid guys who have histories of short term involvement in leagues.

HBD is structured to encourage long term careful building for the future, even more so than progressives in SLB, hence use of the word "Dynasty". Owners with orientation to only one season will not fare well in HBD.

"you can transfer money to prospect budget so you can go above 20 mil.."

Please explain this?

After budgets have been set there are a few areas where you can transfer budget money. They are Prospect, player pay roll, coaching payroll.

You must transfer in multiples of 2 Million. Must be exact. And you lose 50% of that money.

For instance. I budget 20 mill in prospect budget. Coach hiring ends and I had originally budgeted 18 Mil there. I end up using 13.6 million so I have 4.4 mill .

I could then transfer $4 million to either Prospect payroll (which covers signing bonuses to the kids I draft as well as and International free agents I try to sign) or to my PLayer payroll to add some money for a trade. However if I transfer that $4 mill I only get to use $2 mill of it. The other 2 Mill is gone.

I'm sorry I still dont get it. I'll read more in the Dynasty page and hopefully I can get up sto speed.

Will - Here is another example:

You have $100 million originally budgeted for payroll. (covers only exiisting contracts)

You have $20 million budgeted for prospects.

After the season starts, you realize you screwed up. You need only $80 million for payroll, not your original $100 million.

You then transfer the excess $20 million in payroll to prospects. There is a 50% transfer fee.

You are now with $80 million in player payroll, $30 million in prospects, and $10 million which disappears due to the penalty of 50%

Hope that makes sense.......

I have several times had rebuilding teams with very low payrolls where I was able to transfer large amounts to prospect budget to bid for international free agents.

For example, after budgeting for coaches, scouting, medical, training etc. and $20 mil (the max) for prospects I am with $70 mil (by default) in payroll, but my payroll is only $30 mil. I can transfer $40 mil elsewhere but decide to leave $2 mil as a cushion for promotions or unexpected events. So I transfer $38 mil to prospects, reducing payroll from $70 mil to $32 mil and increasing my prospect budget from $20 mil to $39 mil (only a $19 mil increase due to the 50% penalty). It generally takes about $5-6 mil to sign the 25 players drafted in the amateur draft so I am with $33-$34 mil in bonuses to bid for intl. free agents.

Incidentally, I have seen intl. free agents go for as much as $25 mil in bonuses. Since the initial prospect budget is a max of $20 mil, which also has to cover the amateur draft bonuses, that can only happen when owners have had surplus funds (almost always in payroll) to transfer.

Quote: Originally Posted By FishNasty on 5/21/2010
Will - Here is another example:

You have $100 million originally budgeted for payroll. (covers only exiisting contracts)

You have $20 million budgeted for prospects.

After the season starts, you realize you screwed up. You need only $80 million for payroll, not your original $100 million.

You then transfer the excess $20 million in payroll to prospects. There is a 50% transfer fee.

You are now with $80 million in player payroll, $30 million in prospects, and $10 million which disappears due to the penalty of 50%

Hope that makes sense.......

Thanks for dumbing it down for me.. I get it now. Another question. Do I then get the full $20M back in the next season to use in payroll or do I need to transfer from prospects and get penalized again or do I then get the $10M i was penalized on, back in payroll and the other 10M stays in prospects? Hope that makes sense.. I'm more then half retarded when it comes to transferring my thoughts to words.

Each season you start with a base of 185 mill to distribute as you see fit. This resets every year. There is never a carry over from the year before. If you dont use money, you lose it. When you lose the 50% penalty for redistributing any money it is gone, poof, dissappeared, gone forever. But as I say, every year you get to start over with the same base amount of money, so even if you goof and make a bunch of adjustments in season 1, you can re-budget in season 2 and learn from your mistakes.

The only limitation from season to season is that you can't adjust scouting or training/medical categories up or down by more than $4M per season.