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Okay to continue on my hand I talked myself into a call and here is why. I figured that the first player was playing something like Ax and was going to call him in a heart beat. When the second guy went all in as well it made me pause. I decided he had something like 88. Also I was a bit frustrated with my play earlier in the day as I had lost about a buck at the .02/.05 table.

After the fact I was realy ****** at my self for making the call and went and looked at the pot odds. If they held A6 suited, 88 and with my KQ I was getting correct pot odds so I felt a little better.

However in real life they held A9 clubs, and AQ. Which puts me at about 25% to win the hand. I crossed my fingers and a K came on the flop and held up. Catching cards at the right time has helped my stack in this quest for sure.
11/19/2009 12:03 PM
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He had 78 and hit the 8 and then the 7 on turn and river :)

I like my play in a donkament like this though. Rather double up early. Can I really fold for 915 into a pot of 2085 at that point?

Maybe I should of asked what everyone would of did when he lead out for 30? I overbet because I had him on a draw but maybe I should of kept pot small. Still like doubling up early in these things though and then waiting around for big pairs.
11/19/2009 12:03 PM
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When he leads out for 30 it scares me because I think he may have a big pair and wants to see who is drawing and who is not. I have seen that play a lot recently.

However when you make the large bet into him it says I do not want you drawing but he is getting pretty good pot odds at this point if I am doing my math correctly. Assuming he had the 8c.

Obviously you do not expcet to see him there with that hand though. Maybe he decided to defend if he has suited 87 but he cant have that here with clubs.
11/19/2009 12:11 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By tylermathias on 11/19/2009Ok, the Daily Double bonus was only 27 and change, so I think my roll's at about $115-$120. I should probably try to shift into following a modified version of Ferguson's bankroll management now. Even under his rules, I could now play $2.20 mtt's barely. Maybe I'll try to cap it at $3.30, since I'm mtt-centric. I could play up to $5.50 sng's, and buy into cash games with $6. Maybe I'll mix it up and do a little of everything tonight and this weekend
We are right around the same BR. I think the 3.30 rule isnt bad could be risky if you run bad but I also like the 6.50 SnGs...not sure im ready to follow the micro stakes outline.
11/19/2009 12:12 PM
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I didn't notice the post-flop lead. That would have had me even more certain of some kind of draw (or maybe even KT/QT). Not much need for that bet unless you're hoping it happens to take it down there.
11/19/2009 12:12 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by kneeneighbor on 11/19/2009When he leads out for 30 it scares me because I think he may have a big pair and wants to see who is drawing and who is not. I have seen that play a lot recently.However when you make the large bet into him it says I do not want you drawing but he is getting pretty good pot odds at this point if I am doing my math correctly. Assuming he had the 8c.Obviously you do not expcet to see him there with that hand though. Maybe he decided to defend if he has suited 87 but he cant have that here with clubs.
I guess people might make than min-lead with a monster but I don't think it would have felt that way to me.
11/19/2009 12:14 PM
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11/19/2009 12:15 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By tylermathias on 11/19/2009
Quote: Originally posted by kneeneighbor on 11/19/2009
When he leads out for 30 it scares me because I think he may have a big pair and wants to see who is drawing and who is not. I have seen that play a lot recently.

However when you make the large bet into him it says I do not want you drawing but he is getting pretty good pot odds at this point if I am doing my math correctly. Assuming he had the 8c.

Obviously you do not expcet to see him there with that hand though. Maybe he decided to defend if he has suited 87 but he cant have that here with clubs.
I guess people might make than min-lead with a monster but I don't think it would have felt that way to me
Okay so what does the lead out of 30 say to you?
11/19/2009 12:17 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By kneeneighbor on 11/19/2009
When he leads out for 30 it scares me because I think he may have a big pair and wants to see who is drawing and who is not. I have seen that play a lot recently.

I tend to see the opposite, why lead out into the original raiser if you have big hand? They usually slow play at this level or overbet draws out of pot. I was pretty sure the bet meant a draw.

However when you make the large bet into him it says I do not want you drawing but he is getting pretty good pot odds at this point if I am doing my math correctly. Assuming he had the 8c.

If he had the straight and flush draws hes not going anywhere but if he just has 1 club or just the 8 hes not getting the odds to call. He could easily put me on top pair or better so he knows he has 13 outs twice (roughly 54%) at best which is close to 50/50 but thats assuming all his outs are live.

Obviously you do not expcet to see him there with that hand though. Maybe he decided to defend if he has suited 87 but he cant have that here with clubs.

His name was DeFend...

11/19/2009 12:17 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By kneeneighbor on 11/19/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By tylermathias on 11/19/2009

Quote: Originally posted by kneeneighbor on 11/19/2009

When he leads out for 30 it scares me because I think he may have a big pair and wants to see who is drawing and who is not. I have seen that play a lot recently.

However when you make the large bet into him it says I do not want you drawing but he is getting pretty good pot odds at this point if I am doing my math correctly. Assuming he had the 8c.

Obviously you do not expcet to see him there with that hand though. Maybe he decided to defend if he has suited 87 but he cant have that here with clubs.
I guess people might make than min-lead with a monster but I don't think it would have felt that way to me.
Okay so what does the lead out of 30 say to you
At that level. Trying to see his draw cheap. At a better level a player might lead out with a made hand but not for 30 into a 240+ pot.
11/19/2009 12:19 PM
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11/19/2009 12:20 PM
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I suppose the lead out small might make you just call rather than make a larger continuation bet, if you didn't get a piece of the flop.
11/19/2009 12:22 PM
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So his theory there is maybe if he bets 30 into you, you will just call and he sees the next card for just 30, rather than checking because he feels you would raise then?

Obviously you guys are playing games at bigger levels with better players so that is why I am trying to milk you all for information.

And even with the name DeFend I still dont expect him to call that 120 with 87 off suit.
11/19/2009 12:24 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By tylermathias on 11/19/2009
Quote: Originally posted by kneeneighbor on 11/19/2009
When he leads out for 30 it scares me because I think he may have a big pair and wants to see who is drawing and who is not. I have seen that play a lot recently.

However when you make the large bet into him it says I do not want you drawing but he is getting pretty good pot odds at this point if I am doing my math correctly. Assuming he had the 8c.

Obviously you do not expcet to see him there with that hand though. Maybe he decided to defend if he has suited 87 but he cant have that here with clubs.
I guess people might make than min-lead with a monster but I don't think it would have felt that way to me
And honestly if you play in .01/.02 or the .02/.05 games you will see this play a lot with a monster. People are afraid to make a decent size bet and have everyone fold. So when a board that is not too threatening comes out (if gator raised he probably is not drawing to anythign with that board) they do this to build a little at a time untill the river then make a larger bet.
11/19/2009 12:29 PM
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Yeah, but gator showed enough strength pre-flop that you'd have to think the guy would know a 40-50% lead would at least be very likely to get called.

Say gator had a strong hand but didn't catch the flop. If villain checks, gator almost certainly bets 1/2 pot or more to try to take it down. But if villain min-leads, he may just float, and villain has cheaply bought a chance to chase his draw.
11/19/2009 12:34 PM
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