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Quote: Originally Posted By kneeneighbor on 11/19/2009
So his theory there is maybe if he bets 30 into you, you will just call and he sees the next card for just 30, rather than checking because he feels you would raise then?

yes, knowing that a continuation bet would be around 100 (in my case) but most at this level hit top pair and bet pot. I ended up raising pot just because I assumed a bad player (because of the entry fee not because of reads its first hand)

Obviously you guys are playing games at bigger levels with better players so that is why I am trying to milk you all for information.

I have no problem sharing, take what you like dont take what you disagree with. Just expect me to mix it up even more on Tuesdays ;)

And even with the name DeFend I still dont expect him to call that 120 with 87 off suit.

Its actually a decent hand to defend with in a multiway pot but im guessing he doesn't know that and is playing connectors cause he sees it on tv.

11/19/2009 12:37 PM
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I see a lot of people make seemingly pointless min-bets into large pots, following the theory that "An opponent cannot fold if you do not bet". As a matter of fact, MOKA did fold (despite almost 10-1 pot odds).

Whenever someone underbets the pot drastically, I figure that he's a fish and probably on a draw (and I tag him for future reference). With a monster, the only reason to push right there is if he hit a set (77 or 99) and doesn't want you drawing to the flush. Even then, it's sketchy to push right there because the likelihood of you have Ax of clubs is pretty slim. I like to let someone hang themselves rather than push them off the edge.

In a SnG, I'll pay off a set every time with TPTK because I typically don't calculate that into possible hands.
11/19/2009 12:37 PM
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For the record this is the most enjoyable day of work I have had in a long time.
11/19/2009 12:46 PM
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Here is a real situation which might be fun to analyze. Ill tell you how it went down after some comments.

With about a little less than 100 players in a $50.00 tournament (14,500 players entered so we were well into the money). Im in the kill position with close to a million chips (I dont remember the blinds but they arent important as the stack was healthy). Guy in the small blind has about 600k chips.

1st orbit I raise he shoves all in I fold (I had 910 suited or something)

2nd orbit same story (A10)

3rd orbit again (garbage but just curious to see if he shoves again)

By 4th orbit (mind you the previous three the table folded to me prior to my raising). I still have him covered but now its about 1 million to 7-8k. This time I pick up AQ (suited) he shoves.

What do you do and why?
11/19/2009 1:03 PM
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So you riased again on the 4th orbit and he shoved correct?

I would have called at this point. He has shown a willingness to push on you and while you didnt see the cards a patteren had developed.

On a side note I hate getting all in with a Q in my hand preflop. just have had some terrible experiances with it buy in this case I think you can go for it.
11/19/2009 1:17 PM
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I call and figure WTF. If he has AK, AA, KK, or QQ, fine, he suckered me into it, and I can live with myself.

If it's a 60-40 to bust him (s00ted connectors), I'm in good position to make some serious bank.

If it's a coin flip (baby pair), I'll still take the shot.

He might just be TRYING to bust. Remember, some of us have wives standing in the doorway, tapping their toes, waiting to drive to their mother's house, so we're forced to push as much as possible, hoping to double up, so we can still move up the leaderboard by folding blinds.
11/19/2009 1:22 PM
toddcommish
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Even if you lose, you still have 200K, and can build it back up.

If you win, you have almost 2M and can start bullying.
11/19/2009 1:24 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By toddcommish on 11/19/2009
I call and figure WTF. If he has AK, AA, KK, or QQ, fine, he suckered me into it, and I can live with myself.

If it's a 60-40 to bust him (s00ted connectors), I'm in good position to make some serious bank.

If it's a coin flip (baby pair), I'll still take the shot.

He might just be TRYING to bust. Remember, some of us have wives standing in the doorway, tapping their toes, waiting to drive to their mother's house, so we're forced to push as much as possible, hoping to double up, so we can still move up the leaderboard by folding blinds.

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11/19/2009 1:24 PM
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That is an interesting situation and I would need a little more info.

Is the player any good. Im asuming no because of the huge reraises but you never know. But what Im asking is, is he smart enough to know you know that he is going reraise you. If he is then his range might be getting better everytime. Many times Ill assume someone is playing on a level higher then they are and it gets me in trouble. Sometime ABC will be good enough.

Then its the fact that its button vs blind which makes the hand rankings much wider to make plays with and normally without a good read Im calling with AQ. BUT If the reraise is much more then 10x your initial raise I might even look for a better spot then with AQ. Maybe you are 60-40 (maybe worst or better off but on avg lets say 60-40) do you really want to take that shot now. If he is that bad wont you get him in a worse spot with patience?
11/19/2009 1:27 PM
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I guess you kind of have to call, but I hate it. Would like to know exactly how deep you both are relative to blinds and antes, what the pay structure looks like, etc.
11/19/2009 1:27 PM
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Well patience has started to dwindle your own stack here and build the other guys. It is also possible that he is not there for you to get later as someone else might bust him first or one of you moved tables.

It also depends on how I feel I have been playing. Have I goten lucky a few time, just caught great cards or am I playing some great poker.

The more I look at the possibilites the less I like the call now, however it may be a good place to take a stand.
11/19/2009 1:32 PM
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I just hate having to go all in for more than 10 or 12 bbs with a second tier holding when it's clear someone's avoiding playing postflop. And AQ might be the most aggravating hand in poker.
11/19/2009 1:38 PM
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Without knowing the full situation, I'd say the guys likely range is pretty wide.

AA, KK, AK, QQ - The only hands you're worried about. Very slim possibility

Ax or Qx - Either way, you've got him dominated

Kx - Possible, maybe even just as likely

Baby Pair - 22-88 - Equally likely for this play, but depending on your taste for coin flips...

Medium Pair - 99-JJ - Not as likely, just based on true odds, another coin flip

ATC - possible based on LAG-type

Remember, you're BOTH in the money already. If your goal is to WIN, you'll likely need to win a coin flip somewhere. Check the payouts. If you recently passed a threshhold of higher payout, he might be happy with his ROI, and might be taking a flyer here.

If you couldn't tell, I insta-call. I don't like getting pushed around by LAGs.
11/19/2009 1:42 PM
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Fair enough here is some more information the other player is Neonpils99 (who is not being rushed by his wife, hes a sick player).

2) It was the middle of the night about 3:00AM as it was the miniFTOPs main event.

3) first place was somewhere between 90-100k if I remember correctly

4) I was playing sick poker, I could literally see what other players were holding, really really crazy zone. Actually took several nast beats but was lucky it usually came v. short stacks.

5) Getting knocked down to 200k or so would be very damaging at that point as blinds were either 4k/8k with ante or 5k/10k with anter.
11/19/2009 1:42 PM
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Sick players don't push four hands in a row. Or more to the point, NOBODY gets four push-able hands in a row, so somewhere he's taken some liberties with starting hand strength.

If he's laid the groundwork for a nice cold deck by pushing with garbage just long enough to nail you when you pick up a good hand, you tip your hat, and consider it a cooler. **** happens.
11/19/2009 1:46 PM
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