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You first:

Please explain why the Royals were able to file a protest in the Pine Tar game, while the Tigers were not able to file a protest in the Galarraga game.
6/10/2010 5:14 PM
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Because Evil Bud was determined to keep a young man wearing a hat with a D on it from getting his just recognition. A terrible disaster it was.
6/10/2010 5:28 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by bosoxbill on 6/10/2010
Quote: Originally posted by Jtpsops on 6/10/2010I fail to see how they contradict each other.
If I had the choice, things would stay the way they are. That's my personal preference. But I think changes are coming.

I still need you to explain to me how, just because I think changes are coming, I can't disagree with those changes.

You absolutely can disagree with changes you think are coming. I've never said you couldn't. I've just been trying to ask you if you do.

So you disagree with the direction replay is headed in, right? That's a fair statement?

So why are you against something which could fix some of these kinds of accuracy issues WITHOUT involving stopping or slowing for replay?

What are you talking about?

How is looking at the replay after the fact, deciding the wrong call was made and retroactively changing it an different or less obtrusive than allowing the manager to challenge the call in the moment, when it matters?

I'd rather see Leyland be able to throw a flag, umps congregate for two minutes, reverse the call and award Galarraga his perfect game than see the commissioner exercising his ultimate authority after the fact to overrule the very men he has in place to make these calls.

In other words...an ump overruling himself or a fellow ump on his staff is far better to me than the commish going around overruling his umps.
6/10/2010 5:38 PM
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Managers determining reviews are the worst possible "solution" to this disastrous situation.

As a rule, managers are bitter, petty and hold a grudge. They will "throw the flag" just to attempt to show up an ump and then just plain argue a call later on when they can't "throw the flag". In football, you have a challenge, if you lose, you lose a timeout. What will the baseball manager lose with this system?
6/10/2010 5:43 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By bosoxbill on 6/10/2010
Give me the citations for these definitons which are so clear to you - the difference between ruling and judgement call. You seem to think it makes all the difference in the world, so there must be a dictionary or part of the rulebook you can point me to, right?
Oh, what the heck. Why make you wait?

Judgement call: Rule 9.02a.

Ruling: Rule 9.02b.

And I'll even add protest, to save you the embarrassment of not being able to tell me why the Pine Tar game was protestable while the Galarraga game was not: Rule 4.19.

Any other questions?
6/10/2010 5:48 PM
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DON'T CLICK THOSE LINKS, BOSUX!!! IT'S MIDGET PORN!!!!!! I THINK YOUR MOM IS IN IT!!!
6/10/2010 5:55 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 6/10/2010DON'T CLICK THOSE LINKS, BOSUX!!! IT'S MIDGET PORN!!!!!! I THINK YOUR MOM IS IN IT!!
Heh heh. You told him that to make sure that that he DID click the links, didn't you?
6/10/2010 6:00 PM
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Wow. Carrying on and on for 18 pages ...... Mom jokes ..........

I don't ever want to hear it again. Guess its OK to do when you are one of the elite.

Next time any of you idiots have anything to say to me ...don't!
6/10/2010 6:06 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 6/10/2010Managers determining reviews are the worst possible "solution" to this disastrous situation.As a rule, managers are bitter, petty and hold a grudge.  They will "throw the flag" just to attempt to show up an ump and then just plain argue a call later on when they can't "throw the flag".   In football, you have a challenge, if you lose, you lose a timeout.  What will the baseball manager lose with this system?


Even if a manager decides to be bitter, what have we lost, especially if you put, say, a 2-minute time limit on reviews?

Ninth inning, manager still has his challenge, decides to be a ***** and challenges a meaningless call...we lose 2 minutes, he gets his *** booed by the fans and (hopefully) gets a lashing in the media as well.

Anyway, like I said earlier, I hope nothing changes. I'm not in favour of expanded replay at all. But if you are going to use it, I don't really see a better, more time-friendly solution than giving manager's one flag per game and telling them to shut up about everything else.
6/10/2010 6:07 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By tecwrg on 6/10/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By bosoxbill on 6/10/2010
Give me the citations for these definitons which are so clear to you - the difference between ruling and judgement call. You seem to think it makes all the difference in the world, so there must be a dictionary or part of the rulebook you can point me to, right?
Oh, what the heck. Why make you wait?

Judgement call: Rule 9.02a.

Ruling: Rule 9.02b.

And I'll even add protest, to save you the embarrassment of not being able to tell me why the Pine Tar game was protestable while the Galarraga game was not: Rule 4.19.

Any other questions?

I'm fully expecting iwillneveradmitthatiamwrongbill to come back and say that the official MLB rulebook is not a definitive enough source for him.
6/10/2010 6:14 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By Jtpsops on 6/10/2010
Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 6/10/2010
Managers determining reviews are the worst possible "solution" to this disastrous situation.

As a rule, managers are bitter, petty and hold a grudge. They will "throw the flag" just to attempt to show up an ump and then just plain argue a call later on when they can't "throw the flag". In football, you have a challenge, if you lose, you lose a timeout. What will the baseball manager lose with this system?


Even if a manager decides to be bitter, what have we lost, especially if you put, say, a 2-minute time limit on reviews?

Ninth inning, manager still has his challenge, decides to be a ***** and challenges a meaningless call...we lose 2 minutes, he gets his *** booed by the fans and (hopefully) gets a lashing in the media as well.

Anyway, like I said earlier, I hope nothing changes. I'm not in favour of expanded replay at all. But if you are going to use it, I don't really see a better, more time-friendly solution than giving manager's one flag per game and telling them to shut up about everything else


Seriously, I'm a baseball fan. I don't mind the delays. Managers have the ability to delay the game plenty. Let's not give them another way. If there has to be expanded replay, let the ump in the booth review it before the batter gets in the box, the pitcher throws the pitch. Both of them can delay the action long enough to give the booth ump time to see what he needs to see.
6/10/2010 6:19 PM
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6/10/2010 9:51 PM
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I think we knew that. For home runs only.

What's your point?
6/10/2010 9:55 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by Jtpsops on 6/10/2010How is looking at the replay after the fact, deciding the wrong call was made and retroactively changing it an different or less obtrusive than allowing the manager to challenge the call in the moment, when it matters?
Because it would only apply WHEN A CALL SHOULD HAVE ENDED A GAME, BUT DID NOT. And only then, when there's clear video evidence.

In other words: hardly f*cking ever, you giant c*nt-for-brains.

And hardly f*cking ever is far less obtrusive than your genius idea of multiple times per game, guaranteed.

Jesus, you're like one dumbass, riding on the shoulders of a retard, reading a f*cking twilight book out loud.
6/10/2010 9:59 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by tecwrg on 6/10/2010I think we knew that.  For home runs only.  What's your point?
Point is that you don't have a point. RIGHT NOW, your precious "judgement calls" are REVERSIBLE.

Another of your silly points, completely destroyed. By me.

Leaving my glorious points the only ones standing.
6/10/2010 10:00 PM
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