Savage VI Rosters/Commentary Topic

Have a savage holidays everyone.
12/25/2021 10:15 AM
Posted by robusk on 12/21/2021 8:21:00 PM (view original):
It's often a crapshoot it feels like. I have one team that is way worse than the others, but it is definitely not the team I thought it would be.
Same. I still can't figure out why one of my teams is struggling - kind of a weak bench in retrospect but the starting lineup was one of my better ones. And the team I built last only once every other team was set is doing pretty well. Probably divisions have something to do with it.

Happy holidays everyone!
12/27/2021 10:49 AM
Well, my 3rd straight late season Savage collapse has commenced. Brutal back-to-back 1-4s followed by an 0-5. I dropped from 4th place overall down to 10th in just a few days. At least I'm consistent.
12/31/2021 2:54 AM
Scores tab added to the scoresheet.
1/5/2022 2:16 PM
Thanks robusk
1/5/2022 3:28 PM
Couple musings:
  • I don't have the numbers for season 1, but for every other season, ncmusician just finished the regular season in 4th place with the lowest combined DREB% on record. Pretty impressive he was able to do that while also have low threes and bad fouls. Leading the league in eFG% differential certainly had a lot to do with that.
  • tarheel1991 with just an amazing closing run on the season. I think he was around 10 or 11 at the halfway mark and finished the regular season in 5th!
  • 2kpyrite with a nice 3rd place regular season finish, sneaking a fourth team in the playoffs on the last game of the season!
  • jcred5, currently in second, is the only coach with two different heavy title favorites.
  • bds9992 with a pretty incredible feat: he may have only gotten one playoff team in, but it finished with the best record in what looks to be a tougher conference. A title favorite! Getting his second SLBk title in Savage of all places would be a huge accomplishment
  • Can benhoidal salvage this season by closing out with a title in W3?
  • benhoidal, Midge, ysw128, raggedclaws and dh555 all had to go through brutal division draws while seapilots, jcred5, tarheel1991 and 24kpyrite had a little more luck in that regard.
  • While I am currently in the lead, I have no heavy title favorite. W4 team had the best record in all of Savage, but the 3rd and 4th best record teams are also in the world. W1 team has the 5th best record but the 6th and 8th best team by record are also in that world. Probably no better than a ~30% shot of even one 'ship which means this is still anyone's title to be had.
  • Only the second time in Savage history that only one coach gets the all 5 bonus and it came down to 4 teams vying for two playoff spots on the last game of the season in W2.
1/5/2022 3:58 PM
Blew 5x in the playoffs in game 82. Miserable!
1/5/2022 4:07 PM
Posted by robusk on 1/5/2022 3:58:00 PM (view original):
Couple musings:
  • I don't have the numbers for season 1, but for every other season, ncmusician just finished the regular season in 4th place with the lowest combined DREB% on record. Pretty impressive he was able to do that while also have low threes and bad fouls. Leading the league in eFG% differential certainly had a lot to do with that.
  • tarheel1991 with just an amazing closing run on the season. I think he was around 10 or 11 at the halfway mark and finished the regular season in 5th!
  • 2kpyrite with a nice 3rd place regular season finish, sneaking a fourth team in the playoffs on the last game of the season!
  • jcred5, currently in second, is the only coach with two different heavy title favorites.
  • bds9992 with a pretty incredible feat: he may have only gotten one playoff team in, but it finished with the best record in what looks to be a tougher conference. A title favorite! Getting his second SLBk title in Savage of all places would be a huge accomplishment
  • Can benhoidal salvage this season by closing out with a title in W3?
  • benhoidal, Midge, ysw128, raggedclaws and dh555 all had to go through brutal division draws while seapilots, jcred5, tarheel1991 and 24kpyrite had a little more luck in that regard.
  • While I am currently in the lead, I have no heavy title favorite. W4 team had the best record in all of Savage, but the 3rd and 4th best record teams are also in the world. W1 team has the 5th best record but the 6th and 8th best team by record are also in that world. Probably no better than a ~30% shot of even one 'ship which means this is still anyone's title to be had.
  • Only the second time in Savage history that only one coach gets the all 5 bonus and it came down to 4 teams vying for two playoff spots on the last game of the season in W2.
This is don’t bother me I’m working? (Ha?)
1/5/2022 5:40 PM
Posted by benhoidal on 11/20/2021 10:57:00 PM (view original):
Posted by ncmusician_7 on 11/20/2021 10:30:00 PM (view original):
Usage..........eFG.........3pm..........Ast..........cReb..........Def
104%...........54%.........300...........71%........114%..........85

That's typical numbers for the starters of my five teams. I found the criticism of picking Klay Thompson in the bottom half of the 2nd round and playing Elton Brand at PF for some seasons puzzling.

That’s really, really low creb for a top lineup.
I'd say too much emphasis was placed on cReb during the analysis. You don't need great rebounding if you have a good positive differential between your team's eFG% and your opponents' eFG%.
1/5/2022 6:58 PM
Posted by ncmusician_7 on 1/5/2022 6:58:00 PM (view original):
Posted by benhoidal on 11/20/2021 10:57:00 PM (view original):
Posted by ncmusician_7 on 11/20/2021 10:30:00 PM (view original):
Usage..........eFG.........3pm..........Ast..........cReb..........Def
104%...........54%.........300...........71%........114%..........85

That's typical numbers for the starters of my five teams. I found the criticism of picking Klay Thompson in the bottom half of the 2nd round and playing Elton Brand at PF for some seasons puzzling.

That’s really, really low creb for a top lineup.
I'd say too much emphasis was placed on cReb during the analysis. You don't need great rebounding if you have a good positive differential between your team's eFG% and your opponents' eFG%.
In Ben’s defense on this post, it’s doesn’t say anything other than low creb. Considering you were the worst defensive rebounding team in league history, I’d say it’s a fair point. Your team still did well.

In a larger context, there certainly was no precedent for a team that low on rebounding. So kudos for thinking outside the box.
1/5/2022 7:14 PM
Posted by benhoidal on 11/25/2021 11:00:00 PM (view original):
Part 2:

https://soundcloud.com/benjamin-hoidal/episode-2-part-2?si=36f9d12c764d4ea4bbaf9be7c439ea71
I think the format and presentation was very good. I think you should continue doing something similar to this for future savage leagues. You got more correct than incorrect.
Owner World Prediction Actual Accurate?
tarheel1991 1 makes playoffs #4 seed yes
tarheel1991 2 misses playoffs #4 seed no
tarheel1991 3 makes playoffs #2 seed yes
tarheel1991 4 makes playoffs #4 seed yes
tarheel1991 5 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
bds9992 1 makes playoffs #1 seed yes
bds9992 2 makes playoffs missed playoffs no
bds9992 3 fringe missed playoffs yes
bds9992 4 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
bds9992 5 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
pharrop 1 makes playoffs missed playoffs no
pharrop 2 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
pharrop 3 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
pharrop 4 makes playoffs missed playoffs no
pharrop 5 makes playoffs missed playoffs no
ysw128 1 makes playoffs missed playoffs no
ysw128 2 makes playoffs #3 seed yes
ysw128 3 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
ysw128 4 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
ysw128 5 makes playoffs #2 seed yes
benhoidal 1 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
benhoidal 2 makes playoffs missed playoffs no
benhoidal 3 makes playoffs #4 seed yes
benhoidal 4 makes playoffs missed playoffs no
benhoidal 5 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
gerryred 1 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
gerryred 2 makes playoffs #3 seed yes
gerryred 3 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
gerryred 4 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
gerryred 5 makes playoffs missed playoffs no
24kpyrite 1 makes playoffs missed playoffs no
24kpyrite 2 makes playoffs #1 seed yes
24kpyrite 3 makes playoffs #1 seed yes
24kpyrite 4 misses playoffs #5 seed no
24kpyrite 5 makes playoffs #2 seed yes
beloud 1 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
beloud 2 makes playoffs #2 seed yes
beloud 3 makes playoffs missed playoffs no
beloud 4 makes playoffs #6 seed yes
beloud 5 misses playoffs #6 seed no
dontburnearl 1 misses playoffs #5 seed no
dontburnearl 2 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
dontburnearl 3 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
dontburnearl 4 fringe #1 seed no
dontburnearl 5 makes playoffs #3 seed yes
ncmusician_7 1 misses playoffs #1 seed no
ncmusician_7 2 fringe #2 seed no
ncmusician_7 3 misses playoffs #6 seed no
ncmusician_7 4 misses playoffs #3 seed no
ncmusician_7 5 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
albiband0 1 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
albiband0 2 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
albiband0 3 misses playoffs #5 seed no
albiband0 4 makes playoffs #6 seed yes
albiband0 5 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
seapilots 1 misses playoffs #5 seed no
seapilots 2 makes playoffs missed playoffs no
seapilots 3 makes playoffs #6 seed yes
seapilots 4 makes playoffs missed playoffs no
seapilots 5 makes playoffs #5 seed yes
jhsukow 1 makes playoffs #3 seed yes
jhsukow 2 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
jhsukow 3 makes playoffs missed playoffs no
jhsukow 4 makes playoffs missed playoffs no
jhsukow 5 misses playoffs #6 seed no
raggedclaws 1 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
raggedclaws 2 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
raggedclaws 3 makes playoffs #3 seed yes
raggedclaws 4 misses playoffs #2 seed no
raggedclaws 5 misses playoffs #3 seed no
jkaye24 1 makes playoffs missed playoffs no
jkaye24 2 fringe missed playoffs no
jkaye24 3 makes playoffs missed playoffs no
jkaye24 4 makes playoffs #2 seed yes
jkaye24 5 makes playoffs #4 seed yes
amerk1180 1 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
amerk1180 2 makes playoffs #5 seed yes
amerk1180 3 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
amerk1180 4 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
amerk1180 5 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
dh555 1 misses playoffs #6 seed no
dh555 2 makes playoffs missed playoffs no
dh555 3 fringe missed playoffs yes
dh555 4 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
dh555 5 makes playoffs missed playoffs no
20ks 1 makes playoffs #2 seed yes
20ks 2 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
20ks 3 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
20ks 4 makes playoffs #4 seed yes
20ks 5 makes playoffs #4 seed yes
jcred5 1 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
jcred5 2 makes playoffs #1 seed yes
jcred5 3 makes playoffs #1 seed yes
jcred5 4 fringe missed playoffs no
jcred5 5 makes playoffs #1 seed yes
mikee1 1 makes playoffs #4 seed yes
mikee1 2 makes playoffs missed playoffs no
mikee1 3 misses playoffs #4 seed no
mikee1 4 misses playoffs #3 seed no
mikee1 5 misses playoffs #5 seed no
notoriousj 1 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
notoriousj 2 misses playoffs #5 seed no
notoriousj 3 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
notoriousj 4 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
notoriousj 5 makes playoffs missed playoffs no
jpevans31 1 makes playoffs #3 seed yes
jpevans31 2 misses playoffs #4 seed no
jpevans31 3 makes playoffs $5 seed yes
jpevans31 4 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
jpevans31 5 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
robusk 1 makes playoffs #2 seed yes
robusk 2 fringe #6 seed yes
robusk 3 makes playoffs #2 seed yes
robusk 4 makes playoffs #1 seed yes
robusk 5 misses playoffs #1 seed no
midge 1 makes playoffs #6 seed yes
midge 2 misses playoffs #6 seed no
midge 3 makes playoffs #3 seed yes
midge 4 makes playoffs #3 seed yes
midge 5 makes playoffs missed playoffs no
1/5/2022 10:32 PM (edited)
tbh, 58.3% is staggering accuracy in predicting playoffs for a league like this. I was super impressed with the thoughtfulness and just the willingness to put himself on the record.
1/5/2022 9:38 PM
Posted by ncmusician_7 on 1/5/2022 8:30:00 PM (view original):
Posted by benhoidal on 11/25/2021 11:00:00 PM (view original):
Part 2:

https://soundcloud.com/benjamin-hoidal/episode-2-part-2?si=36f9d12c764d4ea4bbaf9be7c439ea71
I think the format and presentation was very good. I think you should continue doing something similar to this for future savage leagues. You got more correct than incorrect.

Owner World Prediction Actual Accurate?
tarheel1991 1 makes playoffs #4 seed yes
tarheel1991 2 misses playoffs #4 ssed no
tarheel1991 3 makes playoffs #2 seed yes
tarheel1991 4 makes playoffs #4 seed yes
tarheel1991 5 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
bds9992 1 makes playoffs #1 seed yes
bds9992 2 makes playoffs #1 seed yes
bds9992 3 fringe missed playoffs yes
bds9992 4 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
bds9992 5 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
pharrop 1 makes playoffs missed playoffs no
pharrop 2 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
pharrop 3 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
pharrop 4 makes playoffs missed playoffs no
pharrop 5 makes playoffs missed playoffs no
ysw128 1 makes playoffs missed playoffs no
ysw128 2 makes playoffs missed playoffs no
ysw128 3 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
ysw128 4 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
ysw128 5 makes playoffs #2 seed yes
benhoidal 1 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
benhoidal 2 makes playoffs missed playoffs no
benhoidal 3 makes playoffs #4 seed yes
benhoidal 4 makes playoffs missed playoffs no
benhoidal 5 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
gerryred 1 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
gerryred 2 makes playoffs missed playoffs no
gerryred 3 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
gerryred 4 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
gerryred 5 makes playoffs missed playoffs no
24kpyrite 1 makes playoffs missed playoffs no
24kpyrite 2 makes playoffs missed playoffs no
24kpyrite 3 makes playoffs #1 seed yes
24kpyrite 4 misses playoffs #5 seed no
24kpyrite 5 makes playoffs #2 seed yes
beloud 1 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
beloud 2 makes playoffs missed playoffs no
beloud 3 makes playoffs missed playoffs no
beloud 4 makes playoffs #6 seed yes
beloud 5 misses playoffs #6 seed no
dontburnearl 1 misses playoffs #5 seed no
dontburnearl 2 misses playoffs #5 seed no
dontburnearl 3 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
dontburnearl 4 fringe #1 seed no
dontburnearl 5 makes playoffs #3 seed yes
ncmusician_7 1 misses playoffs #1 seed no
ncmusician_7 2 fringe #2 seed no
ncmusician_7 3 misses playoffs #6 seed no
ncmusician_7 4 misses playoffs #3 seed no
ncmusician_7 5 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
albiband0 1 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
albiband0 2 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
albiband0 3 misses playoffs #5 seed no
albiband0 4 makes playoffs #6 seed yes
albiband0 5 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
seapilots 1 misses playoffs #5 seed no
seapilots 2 makes playoffs #5 seed yes
seapilots 3 makes playoffs #6 seed yes
seapilots 4 makes playoffs missed playoffs no
seapilots 5 makes playoffs #5 seed yes
jhsukow 1 makes playoffs #3 seed yes
jhsukow 2 misses playoffs #3 seed no
jhsukow 3 makes playoffs missed playoffs no
jhsukow 4 makes playoffs missed playoffs no
jhsukow 5 misses playoffs #6 seed no
raggedclaws 1 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
raggedclaws 2 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
raggedclaws 3 makes playoffs #3 seed yes
raggedclaws 4 misses playoffs #2 seed no
raggedclaws 5 misses playoffs #3 seed no
jkaye24 1 makes playoffs missed playoffs no
jkaye24 2 fringe missed playoffs no
jkaye24 3 makes playoffs missed playoffs no
jkaye24 4 makes playoffs #2 seed yes
jkaye24 5 makes playoffs #4 seed yes
amerk1180 1 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
amerk1180 2 makes playoffs missed playoffs no
amerk1180 3 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
amerk1180 4 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
amerk1180 5 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
dh555 1 misses playoffs #6 seed no
dh555 2 makes playoffs #6 seed yes
dh555 3 fringe missed playoffs yes
dh555 4 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
dh555 5 makes playoffs missed playoffs no
20ks 1 makes playoffs #2 seed yes
20ks 2 misses playoffs #2 seed no
20ks 3 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
20ks 4 makes playoffs #4 seed yes
20ks 5 makes playoffs #4 seed yes
jcred5 1 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
jcred5 2 makes playoffs missed playoffs no
jcred5 3 makes playoffs #1 seed yes
jcred5 4 fringe missed playoffs no
jcred5 5 makes playoffs #1 seed yes
mikee1 1 makes playoffs #4 seed yes
mikee1 2 makes playoffs #4 seed yes
mikee1 3 misses playoffs #4 seed no
mikee1 4 misses playoffs #3 seed no
mikee1 5 misses playoffs #5 seed no
notoriousj 1 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
notoriousj 2 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
notoriousj 3 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
notoriousj 4 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
notoriousj 5 makes playoffs missed playoffs no
jpevans31 1 makes playoffs #3 seed yes
jpevans31 2 misses playoffs #3 seed no
jpevans31 3 makes playoffs $5 seed yes
jpevans31 4 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
jpevans31 5 misses playoffs missed playoffs yes
robusk 1 makes playoffs #2 seed yes
robusk 2 fringe #2 seed no
robusk 3 makes playoffs #2 seed yes
robusk 4 makes playoffs #1 seed yes
robusk 5 misses playoffs #1 seed no
midge 1 makes playoffs #6 seed yes
midge 2 misses playoffs #6 seed no
midge 3 makes playoffs #3 seed yes
midge 4 makes playoffs #3 seed yes
midge 5 makes playoffs missed playoffs no


my W2 team is a #2 seed.
1/5/2022 10:05 PM
Posted by robusk on 1/5/2022 9:39:00 PM (view original):
tbh, 58.3% is staggering accuracy in predicting playoffs for a league like this. I was super impressed with the thoughtfulness and just the willingness to put himself on the record.
Yeah that's pretty damn good.
1/5/2022 10:05 PM
I corrected the World 2 results (not sure what I was looking at). So the accuracy was actually 62.5%.
1/5/2022 10:33 PM
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