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da6nz6ig6
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Quote: Originally Posted By tecwrg on 1/22/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By da6nz6ig6 on 1/22/2010
I guess what it boils down to is does anyone have a problem if someone wins 80+ games with a 30 mil payroll and a 40 mil prospect budget? No, their problem is with tankers that lose on purpose. Figure out a way to punish those guys and leave those who can win and rebuild effectively alone. That's all, not the end of the world either way just wanted to voice my opinion. All I know is Coakley lost and all is good. G'night...
Most of the time, a team that wins 80+ games with a $30m payroll is doing so because they are just starting to reap the benefits of previous years of tanking with a roster full of studly pre-arb guys.

The exceptions, i.e. owners who are able to do so without previous years of tanking, are very few and far between.

So yes, most good owners and worlds would and should have a problem with what you describe.

So like I was saying, those who have the ability to do so pay the price for the mongloids out there. I guess that's the way things work nowadays.
1/22/2010 9:10 PM
da6nz6ig6
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 1/22/2010Or, who cares? If you don't want a 2nd team under the current guidelines, don't take one. HBD will certainly struggle without you delving into the two team foray but, and I'm just guessing, it will somehow survive.
Wasn't asking you to care Mike. Sorry if I don't agree with you. I'm sure I won't be the ONLY person to think twice about taking over a major rebuilding job. At least they haven't gone so far as to give the worst team in the league the 20th pick in the draft which might just be the single dumbest idea I've heard yet. I'm done, just wanted to put in my two cents. You have a nice evening, I have a Pick 4 to take down at Los Alamitos so gotta run....
1/22/2010 9:17 PM
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and my final post on the subject, i don't really care, it benefits my main team as I can now think about getting involved in IFA's again....just think it's a stupid idea that punishes responsible people for the actions of irresponsible people and I've had just about enough of that these days....have a nice night
1/22/2010 9:19 PM
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I asking if anyone will care. Your 1 additional team, or lack thereof, makes no difference in the grand scheme of things. Take one, don't take one. This is akin to "If WifS doesn't do something, I'm gone!!"

No.

One.

Cares.
1/22/2010 9:20 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By da6nz6ig6 on 1/22/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By tecwrg on 1/22/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By da6nz6ig6 on 1/22/2010
I guess what it boils down to is does anyone have a problem if someone wins 80+ games with a 30 mil payroll and a 40 mil prospect budget? No, their problem is with tankers that lose on purpose. Figure out a way to punish those guys and leave those who can win and rebuild effectively alone. That's all, not the end of the world either way just wanted to voice my opinion. All I know is Coakley lost and all is good. G'night...
Most of the time, a team that wins 80+ games with a $30m payroll is doing so because they are just starting to reap the benefits of previous years of tanking with a roster full of studly pre-arb guys.

The exceptions, i.e. owners who are able to do so without previous years of tanking, are very few and far between.

So yes, most good owners and worlds would and should have a problem with what you describe.

So like I was saying, those who have the ability to do so pay the price for the mongloids out there. I guess that's the way things work nowadays.

Those who can do so . . . 1%.
The "mongloids" ruining it for the others . . . 99%.

Why don't you take it up with them?
1/22/2010 9:31 PM
da6nz6ig6
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 1/22/2010

I asking if anyone will care. Your 1 additional team, or lack thereof, makes no difference in the grand scheme of things. Take one, don't take one. This is akin to "If WifS doesn't do something, I'm gone!!"

No.

One.

Cares.




Mike you are such an unbelievable little wise ***. This is not akin to me saying I'm leaving wis. This is akin to me saying I won't take on a rebuilding project and I personally think it's a stupid idea. I know you think you own these boards but you don't. You may spend all your free time on here but that doesn't make your opinion more valid than another.

I get it, you love the idea and you want the worst team in the league to get the 20th pick in the draft. That said.....

Suck.

A.

****.

1/22/2010 9:32 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By da6nz6ig6 on 1/22/2010and my final post on the subject, i don't really care, it benefits my main team as I can now think about getting involved in IFA's again....just think it's a stupid idea that punishes responsible people for the actions of irresponsible people and I've had just about enough of that these days....have a nice night

I guess this wasn't your final post.

Run your one team in your 'tard world with your 30m payroll and 110 wins. Then STFU.

No.

One.

Will.

Care.

Seriously.
1/22/2010 9:46 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By da6nz6ig6 on 1/22/2010
Ah, there it is, the personal attacks. Figured it would come sooner or later.
No, I criticized your post for being BS. Don't take it personally, your post was BS. Guys are having a hard enough toime trying to make sense out of this topic without that.

Here's another one that is pure BS
Rather than worst to first for the draft, it might be time to give team #20 first pick. Make teams fight to the end for a pick. Worst team picks 20th instead of 1st.


That kind of crap doesn't further a rational conversation.

Of course, the next rational conversation in the HBD forums will be the first, so I guess it's moot.
1/23/2010 12:47 AM
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Danzing is a shiit band, anyway.
1/23/2010 10:11 AM
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What's his player payroll?

You can bet your bottom dollar (wow that's ghey... but moving on) that he tanked his way to that team, or there's no way he could afford to do that. None.

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His payroll is 70M this year.

This is a owner who has played 30 seasons

Won 19 divsions

went to 25 playoffs

Won 6 world Series

He is not a tanker.Tanking is a serarate issue that too many people are tying to IFA.

I hate tankers.I would love to find a better way to get rid of them but punishing teams that are using IFA the right way to rebuild down teams isn`t the answer.

If you have the 32nd pick but sign a type A FA then after comp picks your 2nd pick isn`t until the 70`s and is a marginal prospect.

By having so many great players in the IFA market he simply saves money on scouting and gets a great player.

He still gets 30 draft picks so he can field minor league teams so who cares if they win.If he gets a great player in IFA & a decent player with his 2nd rd. pick and the type A FA every year thats all he needs!

He can also trade those mid to high 80 players in IFA for 2 to 3 good players and stay good at the ML level.

With the new 30M cap he can keep doing this even easier because with the 32nd pick he spends less than anybody on picks so he has the most to spend on IFA.

Being the defending champ the tiebreakers give him a better chance to sign the player than a bad team does.

I might be an idiot about this stuff but his track record says that he isn`t.

I know that nobody cares if a couple leave over this issue but bad teams will be harder to fill in all leagues because your giving a bigger advantage to better teams and making it less attractive to take over a bad team.
1/23/2010 11:35 AM
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Why is everyone assuming that the guy with the $30M prospect budget will get the best international player?

All it takes is two or three other owners in the league employing the same strategy, and suddenly he might be looking at getting the 3rd or 4th best IFA, who may not be the level of the #10 pick in the amateur draft.

1/23/2010 1:16 PM
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Really, how often does anyone get up to 30 mil in prospect cash - Let alone above 30 mil? I think this debate is a whole lot of arguing about nothing. For them to really curb prospect overspending, they should limit prospect cash to 20 or 25.
1/23/2010 2:01 PM
tecwrg
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Quote: Originally Posted By shobob on 1/23/2010Really, how often does anyone get up to 30 mil in prospect cash - Let alone above 30 mil? I think this debate is a whole lot of arguing about nothing. For them to really curb prospect overspending, they should limit prospect cash to 20 or 25.
Agree.
1/23/2010 2:20 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By tecwrg on 1/23/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By shobob on 1/23/2010
Really, how often does anyone get up to 30 mil in prospect cash - Let alone above 30 mil? I think this debate is a whole lot of arguing about nothing. For them to really curb prospect overspending, they should limit prospect cash to 20 or 25.
Agree


Ditto. $25 million is the number I like.
1/23/2010 3:24 PM
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1/23/2010 3:55 PM
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