Season Draft League (SDL),Season 3 : DRAFTING NOW Topic

there was a dispute in a previous SSDL. the commish settled it. i'm in favor of that
12/24/2015 5:06 PM
It of course was a very biased way of stating my case for NC, but after this mess, who would ever send a proxy again?
12/24/2015 5:10 PM
I for one would, I just would never send a proxy of only one choice haha. Now if NC had sent multiple options to Roadhouse like in order of what he wanted and Roadhouse simply posted the first one I would be ALL on NC side. But whatever I guess in the end it won't really affect me, I just like the sanctity of draft.
12/24/2015 5:27 PM
Posted by jhsukow on 12/24/2015 4:36:00 PM (view original):
Maybe an official vote is needed.

Do we want to punish NC for being considerate of our time or do we want to punish him for Roadhouse's mistake?
precisely - nc didn't make the mistake - his proxy should not have been posted if the player was already taken and we should have just waited for him - not his fault
12/24/2015 5:54 PM (edited)
But if he sent the proxy because he could not make his draft time, and he only sent a proxy that had already been picked, then he would have been skipped after his draft time correct? **Edit** as in why would we wait if we have set times? **Double Edit** I just looked back and saw we were about a day ahead of picks at that point so after all my arguing and bullshit, honestly can see your point. If we had just waited until his time was up he would've clearly had time to pick.
12/24/2015 5:59 PM (edited)
Posted by tstamp2 on 12/24/2015 5:59:00 PM (view original):
But if he sent the proxy because he could not make his draft time, and he only sent a proxy that had already been picked, then he would have been skipped after his draft time correct? **Edit** as in why would we wait if we have set times? **Double Edit** I just looked back and saw we were about a day ahead of picks at that point so after all my arguing and bullshit, honestly can see your point. If we had just waited until his time was up he would've clearly had time to pick.
NC's slot is right now - the rest of the draft would have had to wait until now - his slot for the 6th rd is Thursday 24th 5p-6p est so now you can go if we do it your way - now, exactly now (his proxy saved us day(s))
12/24/2015 6:01 PM
If it were up to you, what should be done about the proxy situation?
Votes: 12
(Last vote received: 12/25/2015 11:20 PM)
12/24/2015 6:56 PM
^ no reason we shouldn't make the vote official, right?
12/24/2015 6:58 PM
Somehow other leagues don't have these controversies. I'll let the vote speak for itself.
It is what it is. We shouldn't really care that much. Please enjoy Christmas Eve and such but I don't have the time or energy to rule on this at this time beyond this post to at least show people I am not abdicating as commish. My gut says just let NC switch to the original picks. If anyone else wants to change their picks to take the guy he gave back to the pool - go for it.
12/24/2015 7:59 PM
Posted by jkaye24 on 12/24/2015 12:30:00 PM (view original):
Deliberating on NC situation, may need a vote.

In meantime, league 52102
The pick was made by proxy.. He should be able to replace both players...
If he had made the picks himself, he'd only be able to replace Kidd.
If he were picking for himself, we would have to assume that he would have noticed that Kidd was already taken, and draft accordingly. The Proxy was a favor. He could have waited until his time slot in theory.

12/24/2015 11:05 PM
Posted by bds9992 on 12/24/2015 4:01:00 PM (view original):
so this is really interesting. I pick now for team 1. Whether or not NC's two re picks are counted will affect the picks I make here. If both are, i have to pick different people than I would if they aren't.

the point of a proxy is that it accounts for picks not just in the event that the owner isn't there, but also in the event that certain players are taken. You list multiple choices, just in case some of them are taken, but you can't adapt to the changing draft because you're not there. When I see certain players taken, I realize that a certain player I expect not to be drafted, or to be drafted much later, might actually be drafted sooner. In that case, I pick a player a little early. By not listing other alternative choices, NC didn't afford himself the ability to do that.

Usually I list alternates for pick 1 and pick 2, so I don't get two players that are meant for the same purpose, instead of two players that fit in terms of defense, eFG%, Usg%, etc.

It is the responsibility of the owner to draft, and to set a deliberate proxy. I say that if those were the only two players on the proxy, it's NC's responsibility to list more players. You can't just assume that 07-08 Kidd will be there. If you don't set a deliberate proxy, we can't be expected to read your mind.

People will post their picks (including me, now) based on the picks that you have posted for you. If you had picked Anthony and Barry as alternates in your original proxy, we would've prepared for that. People might've picked Brent Barry if they knew they had to, in order to respect the clone rule. I think that rewriting history is an unfair way of dealing with this, and I vote for scrubbing one of the repicked players, and abiding by the other player picked in proxy.

If we actually do support the proxy system, then we'll all respect the players he picked in his proxy, including him.
I agree that he should have posted more alternatives, if he were in danger of being skipped. But his time slot was this afternoon.. Perhaps he was very busy, and only had time to come up with those 2 guys, knowing that if one was picked, that he had to re-think things- which was OK, bc he had plenty of time. You can't punish an owner for a mistake that he didn't make.

Another thing- Since NC's time slot was not up, and he had not officially made a pick, the picks after his proxy and before his official pick were out of turn. That's just a fact. So, if his alternate picks affect someone else's strategy (ie, drafting another Barry season bc u would know u can't pick him later) it is on them for drafting before NC made his selection.

12/24/2015 11:25 PM
Posted by jhsukow on 12/24/2015 4:36:00 PM (view original):
Maybe an official vote is needed.

Do we want to punish NC for being considerate of our time or do we want to punish him for Roadhouse's mistake?
How is this my fault?  The guy (NC Muscian) sent me his two picks.  I just copied and pasted what he sent me.  Plus, those two guys were the only two players he sent me.  What the f**k am I supposed to do, use The Force and read his mind? Blaming me is for this is total bs.

If I get sanctioned or penalized for this, I'm pulling out and you're all on your own.
12/24/2015 11:53 PM
@milest, then don't send a proxy. 

technically, we all have until our time slot to draft. no one should be penalized for picking when they're allowed to pick. that's why we have time slots - there's a schedule so the draft isn't delayed, but it also gives you that much time to think. plan accordingly
12/25/2015 12:03 AM
Posted by roadhouse19 on 12/24/2015 11:53:00 PM (view original):
Posted by jhsukow on 12/24/2015 4:36:00 PM (view original):
Maybe an official vote is needed.

Do we want to punish NC for being considerate of our time or do we want to punish him for Roadhouse's mistake?
How is this my fault?  The guy (NC Muscian) sent me his two picks.  I just copied and pasted what he sent me.  Plus, those two guys were the only two players he sent me.  What the f**k am I supposed to do, use The Force and read his mind? Blaming me is for this is total bs.

If I get sanctioned or penalized for this, I'm pulling out and you're all on your own.
yo yo yo, i'm 99.5% sure jhsukow was being sarcastic.

you can't be punished for being considerate.

you also didn't make a mistake. you did the right thing. everyone knows that.


12/25/2015 12:07 AM
NC got one of the two players he wanted. Bum deal that his second one was taken. That doesn't mean he gets to also replace his valid pick. The two players are independent of each other. They are not connected. Have any of you ever participated in a draft where a posted pick is NOT considered final? A posted pick is a posted pick. Pretty black and white. But whatever. Let's wrap this thing up and make a move.

Also, roadhouse, if you'd have taken one minute to use your brain and see that one of his proxies was drafted immediately prior to you posting, you could have asked all of us what the proper procedure would be in that situation. Instead you blind copy/pasted, then made your (terrible) picks.
12/25/2015 12:30 AM (edited)
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