Posted by bad_luck on 6/6/2018 8:55:00 AM (view original):
I usually don’t like wading into the Israel/Palestine stuff but, in Israel, both sides passionately hate the other. Palestinians want Jews dead. Jews want Palestinians dead.

And, not to pick sides or excuse terrorism, but the Palestinians have zero power. I get how that frustration boils over into violence. I’m sure we’d consider the revolutionary war terrorism if it happened today.

Exactly. As much as CCCP doesn't want to admit this, as it ruins his narrative, Palestine is not powerful at all. Unlike Hitler, they have been LOSING land, and they are not a threat at all on a global stage.

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/6/2018 9:03:00 AM (view original):
That is not the point. My point to TP was that peace is not always an option and asked him if peace would have been an option with the Nazis. Let me rephrase.

If the Nazis decided not to go into Poland but the world found out about their systematic executions of the Jews and other "inferior beings" would the world have intervened? I highly doubt it.

Luckily Israel can defend itself. There are 16mil Jews in the world and 1.6Bn Muslims, yet people like you excuse what Hamas does as "revolutionary". That is absolutely mind boggling. So would it be revolutionary for Mexico to cause terror on the US because we took Texas and Cali from them?

For a logical guy, you just went all retard. Congrats.

Re the 16 mil Jews and 1.6 bn Muslims...

Not all Muslims side with Palestine and not all Muslims that support Palestine live in Palestine. More fear mongering.

Again, the difference is that Hitler was way more of a warmonger IMO than Palestine is. There is a fundamental difference between a Revolutionary War (In their eyes) and a war to gain land after already being a country. I also highly doubt that Palestine would hold death camps of Jews and political dissenters in their country.

Germany wasn't powerful at all as well until they were. Is Iran a threat? Pretty sure. They fund Palestine.

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/6/2018 10:20:00 AM (view original):
So you are taking the side of Palestine?

Americans killed millions of Native Americans to take control of the land. It was sad, but it's was an issue that had to be dealt with to end conflict. At least Palestine has its own land. Not Israel's fault Hamas is a terror group and runs that place.

The Jews had no country to call home, thus Israel was fought for and created. They even won the 7 days war where many middle eastern nations declared war and attempted to attack them at once. Although Palestinians have no official country, they quite clearly lost in the fight for the land that is now Israel.

The native American point is a great example.

Are you arguing that what the USA did to the Natives was the right thing to do? If so, how are you any better than the Palestinians?

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/6/2018 11:19:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 6/6/2018 11:09:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/6/2018 11:01:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 6/6/2018 10:49:00 AM (view original):
I’m not taking anyone’s side. I’m saying that it’s a terrible, complex situation that isn’t black and white.

Fair. But again my point was that peace/negotiations don't always work.

Yeah, which is why the Palestinians have resorted to violence.

I don't mean in that specific case. You think peace/negotiations would have worked prior to WWII? No

Sometimes war is necessary. Your buddy TP, thinks peace is always the solution. My point is that it is not.

I never said that peace is always the solution.

I think that we should do everything possible to avoid conflict and that war is never justifiable short of Jesus rising again. That's my ideology. Live with it.

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/6/2018 1:12:00 PM (view original):
Germany wasn't powerful at all as well until they were. Is Iran a threat? Pretty sure. They fund Palestine.

I think we should do everything possible (short of war) to stop the funding of terrorism from Iran.

Germany was way more powerful than Palestine.

Define "right"? It was a war. Winners are always "right" in war.

You do realize that if you are gay or a woman in Palestine you're treated worse than an animal. You do also realize that Iran sponsors Palestine. The reason I believe what I believe is because my ancestors were the victors during WWII and the 7 Day War. If they lost I likely would not have been born or been born to believe something else.

What happened to Native Americans was awful but that has happened all over history. Hence there are no more Incas, Mayans, Sumerians, Aztecs, etc.

My point is that peace is not always a solution and with Palestine IMO the only solution is war.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/poll-93-of-palestinians-hold-anti-jewish-beliefs/

Posted by tangplay on 6/6/2018 1:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/6/2018 1:12:00 PM (view original):
Germany wasn't powerful at all as well until they were. Is Iran a threat? Pretty sure. They fund Palestine.

I think we should do everything possible (short of war) to stop the funding of terrorism from Iran.

Germany was way more powerful than Palestine.

Post WWI? No, they were not. No military and huge financial sanctions.

Posted by tangplay on 6/6/2018 1:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/6/2018 1:12:00 PM (view original):
Germany wasn't powerful at all as well until they were. Is Iran a threat? Pretty sure. They fund Palestine.

I think we should do everything possible (short of war) to stop the funding of terrorism from Iran.

Germany was way more powerful than Palestine.

We have tried. What do you recommend?

Sanctions didn't work, bribery didn't work, logic didn't work. What would you do?

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/6/2018 1:17:00 PM (view original):
Define "right"? It was a war. Winners are always "right" in war.

You do realize that if you are gay or a woman in Palestine you're treated worse than an animal. You do also realize that Iran sponsors Palestine. The reason I believe what I believe is because my ancestors were the victors during WWII and the 7 Day War. If they lost I likely would not have been born or been born to believe something else.

What happened to Native Americans was awful but that has happened all over history. Hence there are no more Incas, Mayans, Sumerians, Aztecs, etc.

My point is that peace is not always a solution and with Palestine IMO the only solution is war.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/poll-93-of-palestinians-hold-anti-jewish-beliefs/

1. Like was the extermination of the Native tribes a moral and correct thing to do from your standpoint.
2. Yes I realize all of those things.
3. You may be right that war is the only solution.
4. I would like to see the 11 questions asked, those types of surveys could be biased.

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/6/2018 1:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 6/6/2018 1:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/6/2018 1:12:00 PM (view original):
Germany wasn't powerful at all as well until they were. Is Iran a threat? Pretty sure. They fund Palestine.

I think we should do everything possible (short of war) to stop the funding of terrorism from Iran.

Germany was way more powerful than Palestine.

Post WWI? No, they were not. No military and huge financial sanctions.

Pretty sure their military and economy was still stronger than Palestine's, who has no economy because they aren't a country.

I may be wrong though.

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/6/2018 1:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 6/6/2018 1:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/6/2018 1:12:00 PM (view original):
Germany wasn't powerful at all as well until they were. Is Iran a threat? Pretty sure. They fund Palestine.

I think we should do everything possible (short of war) to stop the funding of terrorism from Iran.

Germany was way more powerful than Palestine.

We have tried. What do you recommend?

Sanctions didn't work, bribery didn't work, logic didn't work. What would you do?

I don't know. I am not in power, nor am I an expert, so I don't know everything about it, nor would I have the opportunity to unless I become the president.

Posted by tangplay on 6/6/2018 1:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/6/2018 1:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 6/6/2018 1:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/6/2018 1:12:00 PM (view original):
Germany wasn't powerful at all as well until they were. Is Iran a threat? Pretty sure. They fund Palestine.

I think we should do everything possible (short of war) to stop the funding of terrorism from Iran.

Germany was way more powerful than Palestine.

Post WWI? No, they were not. No military and huge financial sanctions.

Pretty sure their military and economy was still stronger than Palestine's, who has no economy because they aren't a country.

I may be wrong though.

You're wrong

Posted by tangplay on 6/6/2018 1:57:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/6/2018 1:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 6/6/2018 1:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/6/2018 1:12:00 PM (view original):
Germany wasn't powerful at all as well until they were. Is Iran a threat? Pretty sure. They fund Palestine.

I think we should do everything possible (short of war) to stop the funding of terrorism from Iran.

Germany was way more powerful than Palestine.

We have tried. What do you recommend?

Sanctions didn't work, bribery didn't work, logic didn't work. What would you do?

I don't know. I am not in power, nor am I an expert, so I don't know everything about it, nor would I have the opportunity to unless I become the president.

Yet you opine as if you are an expert.

Posted by tangplay on 6/6/2018 1:55:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/6/2018 1:17:00 PM (view original):
Define "right"? It was a war. Winners are always "right" in war.

You do realize that if you are gay or a woman in Palestine you're treated worse than an animal. You do also realize that Iran sponsors Palestine. The reason I believe what I believe is because my ancestors were the victors during WWII and the 7 Day War. If they lost I likely would not have been born or been born to believe something else.

What happened to Native Americans was awful but that has happened all over history. Hence there are no more Incas, Mayans, Sumerians, Aztecs, etc.

My point is that peace is not always a solution and with Palestine IMO the only solution is war.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/poll-93-of-palestinians-hold-anti-jewish-beliefs/

1. Like was the extermination of the Native tribes a moral and correct thing to do from your standpoint.
2. Yes I realize all of those things.
3. You may be right that war is the only solution.
4. I would like to see the 11 questions asked, those types of surveys could be biased.

#1) No. But wars are never moral or correct they just are.
#2) OK
#3) OK
#4) Its pretty well known that Palestine and its people despise Israel.