Quote: Originally posted by e_mandat on 1/23/2010Commies

Cap-piddle-ist!

These 20 pages have been amusing... but when it comes time to set the budgets, what am I to put? 0 or 180 million?

Yes...

Either way you go someone will find a way to take advantage.. I say just screen your owners and if someone is a tanker just don't let them in your world. It's not that hard to find out.. It's obvious if someone took over as a replacement owner and had a crappy year with a team opposing to someone that has 3-5 seasons of 40 wins in a single world.


I enjoy changes that are good for HBD, if this is one of them then I support it.. I just don't like the changes that are not needed...

Quote: Originally posted by jc44 on 1/23/2010------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------His payroll is 70M this year.This is a owner who has played 30 seasonsWon 19 divsionswent to 25 playoffsWon 6 world Series

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Quote: Originally Posted By shobob on 1/23/2010
Really, how often does anyone get up to 30 mil in prospect cash - Let alone above 30 mil? I think this debate is a whole lot of arguing about nothing. For them to really curb prospect overspending, they should limit prospect cash to 20 or 25.

Agree.



Ditto. $25 million is the number I like.

And merely setting a cap at any number is an exercise in futility, anyway, without slightly altering the overall quality of IFA's versus draftees.

Either way you go someone will find a way to take advantage.. I say just screen your owners and if someone is a tanker just don't let them in your world. It's not that hard to find out.. It's obvious if someone took over as a replacement owner and had a crappy year with a team opposing to someone that has 3-5 seasons of 40 wins in a single world.

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Exactly!

Keep on eye on tankers and then you don`t need to cap anything and each good owner can decide how to best spend their own money.

This is entertainment or government.

Do we really need legistrate everything.

More freedom is not a bad thing

As some people have mentioned, the budget transfer thing wasn't a part of HBD to start. I don't think admin envisioned mass transferals of cash to prospect when they instituted budget transfers. Some people (myself included) use budget transfers to give themselves a massive amount of prospect cash, thereby driving up the price of IFAs, and driving about two thirds of owners away from the IFA process. IMO, something needs to be done to make the IFA process more inclusive, and to prevent super-cheap juggernaut teams from occurring.

And flushing large amounts of cash out of the World in the process.

I seriously doubt any significant number of people are going to quit the game because of this. Anybody who does leave . . . the worlds are better off without them.

Quote: Originally posted by shobob on 1/24/2010As some people have mentioned, the budget transfer thing wasn't a part of HBD to start. I don't think admin envisioned mass transferals of cash to prospect when they instituted budget transfers. Some people (myself included) use budget transfers to give themselves a massive amount of prospect cash, thereby driving up the price of IFAs, and driving about two thirds of owners away from the IFA process. IMO, something needs to be done to make the IFA process more inclusive, and to prevent super-cheap juggernaut teams from occurring.

Mass transfers = losses elsewhere

The problem is with 1 or 2 tankers per league, not the IFA process

I think they are making the same mistake again in not looking at the long term problem that this will cause.

I think more teams are going to spend 30M on prospects now than before.

With a 30M cap the teams at the bottom of the draft now have a set figure that they now will net them a top IFA that will be better than their draft pick if they keep the money back.

Now instead of the better teams being out of the IFA market it`s going to be the bad teams out.

That may help the tanking issue some but it`s going to create a less competitive game that is going to leave many leagues having more trouble filling rebuilding teams.

I like rebuilding so all 3 of my teams were terrible before i took them.

I wouldn`t quit over the issue but i won`t be adding anymore teams unless they are good either because this cap is going to create a bigger problem than it`s solving.

You don't need IFA's to rebuild. You just don't.

Maybe you just need to rethink how you prefer to rebuild. Because you seem to be focusing in way too much on the IFA process. That's a you problem, not an HBD problem.

The $30m cap is a good change. It would be better if it was $25m. It would be best if it was $20m. By capping prospect, you're discouraging massive amounts of budget transfer (and the 50% loss of cash that goes along with it). There will now be more cash available to the teams that have used this as an excuse for tanking in an attempt to build superteam.

Now, they have to find more creative ways to spend their money. If they don't spend it, they lose it. So it's in their best interests to spend it. Maybe put more money into the draft scouting budgets. Maybe more into medical/training. Maybe more into (gasp!) payroll and free agents to make their team better now.

Once again i NEVER said you NEED IFA.

I don`t know what is so hard to understand about simple math.

Like i said on the last page about the team in my league.

The league champion who has 25 playoff seasons in 30 years is not tanking!

A 20M cap would just let him keep doing it for less money and make things even worse.

If the team with the 1st pick has to spend 6.5M
on picks and the team with the 32nd pick only has to spend 4.5M to sign picks (much less if he goes the sign a type A FA route)
then he has 2M more to bid on IFA and better tiebreaker options.


This not rocket science.It`s pretty simple.

For f***'s sake.

1. Everyone doesn't see all the IFA.
2. Everyone doesn't care to sign IFA.
3. IFA are, quite honestly, the worst bang for your buck.

You 'tards are acting as if this is going to be the biggest change HBD has ever seen. Spending 47m on an IFA is NOT the way to rebuild a team(20m scouting/27m bonus). In fact, it's a really bad way to do it as you're spending 25% of your budget on ONE PLAYER. Crappy teams should be rebuilding thru the draft and young FA. Once you're an established winner, you'll have a manageable payroll and THEN you can use the IFA to supplement your team as you're no longer getting a top 10 pick.