Diagnostics for Leadoff Hitters II Topic

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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/22/2008

Watching bosux be wrong is nothing new.
Nor is watching you not admit when you're wrong. I am impressed that you've made it 81 pages holding onto a false premise by only using an extreme example to prove your point and refusing any reasonable chance to see if you're right or not. That takes something (though I'm not sure what).
2/22/2008 9:32 AM
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Sorry, I don't have time to put you in your place today. When you come late to the party, you really don't know.
2/22/2008 9:59 AM
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I'll take that as an "I give up, you guys are right, I'm dumb."
2/22/2008 10:05 AM
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I bet that if you looked carefully, you'd see that teams that face pitchers who throw a shutout score less runs than teams that don't.
2/22/2008 10:07 AM
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You'd also find that people who stare continuously at the countdown in the Virtual Waiting Room have their hopes crushed approximately four times per minute.
2/22/2008 10:07 AM
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Hypnotic, huh?
2/22/2008 10:20 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/22/2008
Sorry, I don't have time to put you in your place today. When you come late to the party, you really don't know.
Since you've never put me in my place, I'll assume that's your excuse every other time despite the fact that you have 800,000,000,000 posts. You don't have time. That's a good one.
2/22/2008 10:27 AM
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He always does that when he finally realizes he's wrong.
2/22/2008 10:28 AM
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Does Bosux understand that he's thrown his lot in with hartjh?
That alone is kind of a red flag...
2/22/2008 10:32 AM
bosoxbill
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Have you seen some of the the morons lined up on the other side?
You're kidding, right?
2/22/2008 10:39 AM
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At the very least, can we all agree that this has gone on about 70 pages too long?
At least until Rob can run the numbers for every single game in ML history into a five-dimensional chart including strikeouts, runs, park effects, pitcher's shoe size, and umpire vision...
2/22/2008 10:43 AM
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Yeah, or you could just trust the fine statistical work which has already been done, and which has been linked to.
Not just at baseball prospectus, either.
2/22/2008 10:48 AM
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I'm the one who posted some of the statistical stuff. Remember, that was the stuff that showed that pitchers who had their strikeout rates decline had their ERA's climb, which tended to prove that fewer strikeouts means more runs.
2/22/2008 10:51 AM
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No, it proves that pitchers who strikeout more batters tend to be better pitchers. And it's a whole different subject.
2/22/2008 10:58 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By _nuke_ on 2/22/2008
No, it proves that pitchers who strikeout mroe batters tend to be better pitchers. And it's a whole different subject.
No, if you bothered to READ the abstract I posted, these were the same pitchers (150+ innings) who had their K-rate decline year over year. As a group, their ERAs climbed half a run when they allowed more balls in play.
2/22/2008 11:00 AM
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