Quote: Originally Posted By arssanguinus on 7/10/2009NOw the only way your chart has meaning for division three is if it included what portion of those teams were on FREEHD accounts. . . do you have that data?

I think the fact that DIII went from 6 SIMS to almost 200 SIMS the season FreeHD was eliminated says enough.

Quote: Originally posted by mullycj on 7/10/2009Update for Naismith season #38. 

I hate to say I told you so - but I told you so. I told WhatifSports too - as did many others - but they apparently don't want to listen. The NO-potential system has killed HD, at least in DIII. At what point does WhatifSports wake up and realizes this?

P.S. - I walked away from a team in Smith I had built for 16 seasons because the NO-potential system made continuing pointless.

When you're such a combination of stupid and arrogant that you:

1) Ignore your customers.
2) Implement things your customers do not want.
3) Do an inarguably horrible job of testing 90% of your improvements.
4) Modify things so much that game results more closely resemble a coin flip than quality of players and coaches.
5) Fail to follow through on promises made more than 5 years ago.

and

6) Modify the system so much that many players stop improving after their freshmen seasons,

YOU DESERVE TO LOSE YOUR CUSTOMERS!

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Quote: Originally posted by mullycj on 7/10/2009I think we can officially say potential has killed DIII.

Make sense, you do not.

Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 7/15/2009

Quote: Originally posted by mullycj on 7/10/2009
I think we can officially say potential has killed DIII.

Make sense, you do not

Fact = Naismith DIII had 196 SIMS in season #37 and 211 SIMS in season #38. That is the most amount of SIM coaches EVER in the 21 seasons I've been tracking. The highest number of SIMs before that was season #17 with 160.

The only reason these numbers didn't jump sooner was the use of FreeHD which many coaches used as an extra bacnk account for FSS.

DIII is now over 50% SIM for the 1st time in over 20 seasons.

So does that mean its losing interest or interest simply hasnt grown and was masked these past 20 seasons as a result of FreeHD?

Quote: Originally Posted By vegaskevin on 7/15/2009When you're such a combination of stupid and arrogant that you:

1) Ignore your customers.
2) Implement things your customers do not want.
3) Do an inarguably horrible job of testing 90% of your improvements.
4) Modify things so much that game results more closely resemble a coin flip than quality of players and coaches.
5) Fail to follow through on promises made more than 5 years ago.

and

6) Modify the system so much that many players stop improving after their freshmen seasons,

YOU DESERVE TO LOSE YOUR CUSTOMERS

Weren't you leaving?

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ok, i'll bite - what do his numbers show then?

I'm going to make the argument that potential hasn't killed D-III, but people not wanting to adapt the system has. In D-III tark (so we're all potential recruits for a few season now), you see different types of teams. Some coaches are recruiting for BH/P, some are recruiting REB, some are recruiting PER and others are recruiting DEF. The game (for the remaining handful of teams) has evolved into something that resembles real basketball.

We don't all have the same team anymore and it shows in "upsets" and game planning beyond zone, man-to-man and press. Also, you now can devote more time to team practice, so you see more teams running zone/press, man-to-man/press, etc.

The problem is that those who had built A+ juggernauts by recruiting from the highest talent pool and continuing to widen the gap in that way have to think a little bit in recruiting. There's still an advantage to A+, but it's not as big. The game requires more thought at D-III since there's no way to have 12 stars anymore.

Quote: Originally posted by jjboogie on 7/15/2009ok, i'll bite - what do his numbers show then?

That DIII was nearly full with FreeHD. That there's been little long-term erosion in the higher divisions, despite the predictions of doooooooom that accompanied potential.

The dip in DII Naismith is likely due to DI coaches leaving and DII coaches moving up to replace them, so there has been some recent erosion, which is likely due to potential. But it's hardly a mass exodus, and hardly the slam dunk explanation mully was portraying it as.

Really, the numbers don't show much of anything other than that DIII was artificially 'full' due to FreeHD.

Anton, I think the argument would be that the negatives of potential are most readily apparent at DIII, where there are more unimprovable players/categories, and where use of FSS is extremely difficult due to budgetary constraints. It would then follow that the erosion would occur at the DIII level.

You're right in that the major culprit in the dramatic turn was getting rid of FreeHD. That said, DIII was a lot more full in the seasons before FreeHD was ever introduced then it is now.

that's kind of what i was thinking - that both factors were at play - perhaps FreeHD being the leading cause...

perhaps people just have less needless bullshit money to spend right now.