Top players still resign too easily Topic

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Quote: Originally posted by ttnorm on 10/03/2009The unrealisticly below market demands of the top players helps to unrealistically perpetuate the supremacy of the top teams.Has there been any discussion along the lines of implementing an Offer Sheet contract?  Players who were in a free agency season could receive qualifying offers that would need to be matched by the existing club to retain the player.  Thoughts?  

Perhaps they should hire Scott Bor-*** as their agent!! B-)
10/4/2009 2:44 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By ttnorm on 10/03/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By deanod on 10/03/2009
It would be awfully complex for the HBD sim to determine an open market value for each player. The only reference right now is a crappy overall formula.

And regardless of how you feel about studs testing the market or not, signing offer sheets with an opportunity to match has absolutely nothing to do with real life.
Wouldn't need a SIM formula. Offer sheets would set the price.

It is true that baseball does not have offer sheets in the CBA. I just brought it up as a way to overcome a weakness in the current game. Right now a top player can be locked in for 4 pre arb seasons - 23 games plus an arb season plus 5 seasons on an extension every time. That has absolutely nothing to do with real life either.

Players can also sign 8-year contracts pre-arb. Or longer.

All that you state above is within the MLB CBA, as far as I know.... we're actually restricted as to when we can negotiate with pre-arb. players compared to RL.
10/4/2009 3:09 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By hitman1979 on 10/04/2009I've noticed this recently in my worlds. I've seen guys staying with their current team for way less than what they'd make on the open market.

Like this guy: Bartolo Cruz

I find it hard to believe that this guy wouldn't have received any offers for more than what he got
Maybe I misread something, but that $7M+/season contract was signed DURING his arb.-eligible years. He wasn't allowed to negotiate with anyone else at that time.
10/4/2009 3:11 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By iain on 10/04/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By ttnorm on 10/03/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By deanod on 10/03/2009
It would be awfully complex for the HBD sim to determine an open market value for each player. The only reference right now is a crappy overall formula.

And regardless of how you feel about studs testing the market or not, signing offer sheets with an opportunity to match has absolutely nothing to do with real life.
Wouldn't need a SIM formula. Offer sheets would set the price.

It is true that baseball does not have offer sheets in the CBA. I just brought it up as a way to overcome a weakness in the current game. Right now a top player can be locked in for 4 pre arb seasons - 23 games plus an arb season plus 5 seasons on an extension every time. That has absolutely nothing to do with real life either.

Players can also sign 8-year contracts pre-arb. Or longer.

All that you state above is within the MLB CBA, as far as I know.... we're actually restricted as to when we can negotiate with pre-arb. players compared to RL.

Do you seriously believe that being able to lock up any player of your choice for 10 seasons (minus 23 games) is in any way realistic? You seem to be arguing that it is.
10/4/2009 7:07 PM
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10/4/2009 7:44 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By ttnorm on 10/04/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By iain on 10/04/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By ttnorm on 10/03/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By deanod on 10/03/2009
It would be awfully complex for the HBD sim to determine an open market value for each player. The only reference right now is a crappy overall formula.

And regardless of how you feel about studs testing the market or not, signing offer sheets with an opportunity to match has absolutely nothing to do with real life.
Wouldn't need a SIM formula. Offer sheets would set the price.

It is true that baseball does not have offer sheets in the CBA. I just brought it up as a way to overcome a weakness in the current game. Right now a top player can be locked in for 4 pre arb seasons - 23 games plus an arb season plus 5 seasons on an extension every time. That has absolutely nothing to do with real life either.

Players can also sign 8-year contracts pre-arb. Or longer.

All that you state above is within the MLB CBA, as far as I know.... we're actually restricted as to when we can negotiate with pre-arb. players compared to RL.

Do you seriously believe that being able to lock up any player of your choice for 10 seasons (minus 23 games) is in any way realistic? You seem to be arguing that it is
If "realistic" means that it can happen in real life, then yes. It's 100% realistic.

Examples, just from the team that follow most closely, because the players were easier to spot:

Roy Halladay (signed through 2010)

Vernon Wells (signed through 2014)

Aaron Hill (signed through 2014, including Club Options)

To even the casual baseball fan, you'll see two 2009 All-Stars, and a collossal bust (which doesn't happen in HBD). Seems like EXACTLY who they'd have wanted to keep as long as possible, no??
10/4/2009 8:36 PM
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10/4/2009 8:56 PM
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you have to look at it relative to HBD/MLB.

$15m is a lot. But on the open market Halladay probably would have gotten CC money (around $22m).

Thats a discount of 32% for the Jays.

In HBD, a guy that would go for $16m/yr on the open market might sign with his team for $9m. A discount of 43%. A little better discount in HBD, but not what you guys are making it out to be
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Quote: Originally Posted By mrpolo09 on 10/04/2009you have to look at it relative to HBD/MLB.

$15m is a lot. But on the open market Halladay probably would have gotten CC money (around $22m).

Thats a discount of 32% for the Jays.

In HBD, a guy that would go for $16m/yr on the open market might sign with his team for $9m. A discount of 43%. A little better discount in HBD, but not what you guys are making it out to b


Can I just use random numbers?
10/4/2009 11:27 PM
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10/5/2009 12:43 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 10/04/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By mrpolo09 on 10/04/2009you have to look at it relative to HBD/MLB.

$15m is a lot. But on the open market Halladay probably would have gotten CC money (around $22m).

Thats a discount of 32% for the Jays.

In HBD, a guy that would go for $16m/yr on the open market might sign with his team for $9m. A discount of 43%. A little better discount in HBD, but not what you guys are making it out to beCan I just use random numbers?


Mike, you can do absolutely anything you want
10/5/2009 12:46 AM
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