Quote: Originally Posted By tgould02 on 12/07/2009
Wouldn't the +1 system and an 8 team playoff create the exact same situation as the current BCS system? Style Points and heavy campaigning would launch teams into the top 8 - most often will be all BCS teams.

The public wants to see the non-power teams take on the traditional powers to prove themselves, but also don't want it in the current BCS system. If you do a mini-playoff (8 teams and under) it is a step in the right direction, but not big enough of one because it will still heavily rely on the current format.

A 16 team playoff would truly show who the best teams are because it would have teams rely heavily on depth further into the playoffs. The ranking systems would rely for teams for not just have "stlye points" but a legit SOS, so teams that schedule Southwestern Baptist Central of Northern Colorado Tech three times over will get severly punished. You could consider the idea of shortening the non-con, you can keep the current conference championship format or even make it so every single conference has one CC game you could find the highest quality 16 teams and do it that way.

Quote: Originally posted by zhawks on 12/06/2009If you are going to do a BCS playoff it needs to be 8 teams, eliminate the extra games that have been added to the schedule the last few years. Give the BCS Conferences each an auto bid and have 2 at-large teams. Seed the teams based on the BCS Rankings.

I honestly can't see how anybody can think a single elimination playoff decides a "true" champion. It absolutely does not, and there is just no way anybody can convince me other wise. At the end of an NBA, MLB or NHL season there is no debate at all over who is the best team because teams had to win 7 game series' to decide. The % of the time the better team wins a 7 game series is huge. Like I said before, single elimination playoffs do not do a good job of deciding a true champion because anybody can win in a 1 game scenario.

Let's say UNC threw up a stinker in the Sweet 16 last season would that have changed the fact that they were actually the best team in college basketball? Definitely not. Do you really think the Arizona Cardinals and the Pittsburgh Steelers were the 2 best teams in the NFL last season? The season before that were the Giants really better than the Patriots? Now if you look at the sports that have series to decide things, there is no argument that can be made for any other team besides the team that won.

An 8 team playoff would solve nothing because at the end of the season there will almost always be some 1 loss non BCS school that looks really good who ends up ranked in the 9-12 slot and everyone will be saying it's a shame they didn't get a chance.

Yeah but in a playoff format (8 or 16, preferably 16) it would be harder for the team that beat the "better team having the stinker night" to continue their hotstreak and just flatout frun the table. The playoff would rely on great coaching and great depth to win a championship.

Quote: Originally Posted By tgould02 on 12/07/2009

I honestly can't see how anybody can think a single elimination playoff decides a "true" champion. It absolutely does not, and there is just no way anybody can convince me other wise. At the end of an NBA, MLB or NHL season there is no debate at all over who is the best team because teams had to win 7 game series' to decide. The % of the time the better team wins a 7 game series is huge. Like I said before, single elimination playoffs do not do a good job of deciding a true champion because anybody can win in a 1 game scenario.

Let's say UNC threw up a stinker in the Sweet 16 last season would that have changed the fact that they were actually the best team in college basketball? Definitely not. Do you really think the Arizona Cardinals and the Pittsburgh Steelers were the 2 best teams in the NFL last season? The season before that were the Giants really better than the Patriots? Now if you look at the sports that have series to decide things, there is no argument that can be made for any other team besides the team that won.

An 8 team playoff would solve nothing because at the end of the season there will almost always be some 1 loss non BCS school that looks really good who ends up ranked in the 9-12 slot and everyone will be saying it's a shame they didn't get a chance.

Yeah but in a playoff format (8 or 16, preferably 16) it would be harder for the team that beat the "better team having the stinker night" to continue their hotstreak and just flatout frun the table. The playoff would rely on great coaching and great depth to win a championship

That's not really my point. What I'm saying is if the clear cut best team has 1 bad game they're season is done in a 1 game playoff. The team that beat them may not go on to win, but the best team still won't win a championship. This is going back a long way but in 91, I think it was when Duke beat UNLV in the Final 4 everybody knew UNLV was actually the better team but in that 1 game scenario Duke had a chance. Had that been a 7 game series UNLV wins 4-1 or 4-2. Single game playoffs due a great job of creating excitement and letting fans think a "true" champion is crowned but it really does no better job than the BCS system in deciding a "true" champion.

Quote: Originally Posted By aporter on 12/07/2009Here's my BCS suggestion: If a team from a non-BCS conference makes it to a BCS game (non-championship game), the next season they have to switch conference schedules with the last place team from a conference that has a team playing in the National Championship Game. If in effect this year, TCU and Baylor would switch conference schedules and Boise St. and Vanderbilt would switch conference schedules. This accomplishes three things, let's see if they can play with the big boys an entire conference schedule, would the last place team from the conference do better in non-BCS conference, and the big boys can't duck these non-BCS teams.

Quote: Originally Posted By kmasonbx on 12/07/2009Flip flop TCU and LSU, does LSU go undefeated in the Mountain West, and does TCU beat both Florida and Alabama and then Florida a 2nd time? Does LSU beat Utah and BYU? BCS teams on average play much tougher schedules than non BCS schools so they deserve to play for the title.

Quote: Originally posted by kmasonbx on 12/07/2009Flip flop TCU and LSU, does LSU go undefeated in the Mountain West, and does TCU beat both Florida and Alabama and then Florida a 2nd time? Does LSU beat Utah and BYU? BCS teams on average play much tougher schedules than non BCS schools so they deserve to play for the title.

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 12/07/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By kmasonbx on 12/07/2009
Flip flop TCU and LSU, does LSU go undefeated in the Mountain West, and does TCU beat both Florida and Alabama and then Florida a 2nd time? Does LSU beat Utah and BYU? BCS teams on average play much tougher schedules than non BCS schools so they deserve to play for the title.

Yes, TCU is by far the best team in the Nation this year

Quote: Originally Posted By kelby_03 on 12/07/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 12/07/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By kmasonbx on 12/07/2009
Flip flop TCU and LSU, does LSU go undefeated in the Mountain West, and does TCU beat both Florida and Alabama and then Florida a 2nd time? Does LSU beat Utah and BYU? BCS teams on average play much tougher schedules than non BCS schools so they deserve to play for the title.

Yes, TCU is by far the best team in the Nation this year.

"by far the best team"? Come on now z, you're starting to sound ridiculous. Maybe they are the best team but to say that so matter of factly is crazy.

Kmason brings up a great point. The "best" team doesn't always win when they are playing other great oppenents. Any team with that schedule would probably lose at some point.