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Small sample size in Mantle (50 games), but I'm seeing the same thing at least for my big power guys.

Perhaps home runs are turning into doubles for the top power guys, doubles are turning into singles for the lesser power guys.

Based on jvford's observation, that could fit. Doubles are netting out even, but overall less home runs and more singles.
12/31/2009 2:50 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By mark3313 on 12/31/2009
Quote: Originally posted by jvford on 12/31/2009Doubles, triples, PA, and hits seem to be about the same. I guess that means the homeruns are becoming singles.

HRs are becoming outs at an alarming rate.

The update only affected certain hitters (those with extreme power) and everyone else alone. If you have a rating system which rates every player on the same scale, then change the abilities of only a percentage of hitters, the ratings for those changed players is misleading. The scale of 1-100, 100 being best, doesn't work anymore if 80 is better than 90.

I'm not saying change every hitter's ratings, just change those hitters who were tinkered with in the update to reflect what kind of hitter they are now.
Again, according to this, that appears to be true. I wouldn't have believed it had I not checked for myself, but those HR's do appear to simply be turning into outs according to the stats complied.
12/31/2009 2:55 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by tecwrg on 12/31/2009Small sample size in Mantle (50 games), but I'm seeing the same thing at least for my big power guys.Perhaps home runs are turning into doubles for the top power guys, doubles are turning into singles for the lesser power guys.Based on jvford's observation, that could fit.  Doubles are netting out even, but overall less home runs and more singles.

In two of my leagues I've looked at (one nearing completion and one 35 games in), slugging percentages for the big power guys have dramatically fallen (from high .500's to high .300s). Stats for the very good players (guys with power in the 80s) have stayed the same.

12/31/2009 2:56 PM
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Agree with jvford and tec.
12/31/2009 3:12 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By dedelman on 12/31/2009
Agree with jvford and tec.
Perhaps someone can explain then why overall hits have gone down, HR's have gone down, but Doubles & Triples are the same. Judging just off the stats, those HR's do appear to be turning into outs, unless HR's are turning into doubles and conversely some doubles are turning into outs (which does make sense, I'm just genuinely curious).

Edited: Somewhere along the line though, the fact that there are less hits overall should come into consideration, shouldn't it? Is it just because of the decrease in power? Is it an over-correction? Is it something else entirely?
12/31/2009 3:19 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By mark3313 on 12/31/2009
Quote: Originally posted by jvford on 12/31/2009Doubles, triples, PA, and hits seem to be about the same. I guess that means the homeruns are becoming singles. [/QUOTE]HRs are becoming outs at an alarming rate.
The update only affected certain hitters (those with extreme power) and everyone else alone. If you have a rating system which rates every player on the same scale, then change the abilities of only a percentage of hitters, the ratings for those changed players are misleading. The scale of 1-100, 100 being best, doesn't work anymore if 80 is better than 90.

I'm not saying change every hitter's ratings, just change those hitters who were tinkered with in the update to reflect what kind of hitter they are now.



Are you seriously suggeting that 80 power hitters (with all other ratings being equal) are better than 90 power hitters?
12/31/2009 3:38 PM
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That appears to be his contention.
12/31/2009 3:45 PM
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12/31/2009 3:51 PM
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From 12/29/08 until 11/2/09 the OPS of all leagues was .780; now it's around .752.

They say all that's changed is a tweaking of the elite HR hitters. That means a small group of hitters have caused a huge decline in overall production; that's not HRs becoming doubles, that's HRs becoming outs, .500 slugging becoming .400, etc.

12/31/2009 4:11 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By mark3313 on 12/31/2009
From 12/29/08 until 11/2/09 the OPS of all leagues was .780; now it's around .752.
A quick check of real life MLB for the 2009 season indicates that the average OPS for all 30 major league teams was .750.

Seems like they did a pretty darn good job of finally tweaking the engine to provide stats that more closely mirror real life. Which kind of is one of the points of the game.
12/31/2009 4:21 PM
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I think it's the method in question, not the net result. At least it is in my opinion. HR's are turning into outs, according to the hard data across all worlds. Apparently, some are of the opinion that only the top 10% or so were affected, whereas some may think everyone was affected equally. It appears that only high-end HR hitters were affected. If that is the case, then there was some adujsutment made that made 80 power guys more valuable than before and 90 power guys less valuable (I am not saying a 80 power guy is more valuable than a 90 power guy here, just to clarify), which doesn't really make a whole lot of sense. I really think the root of the issue (to me, anyways) is the implementation and it's unintended effects. Again, all this is merely my opinion based on the statistical evidence that HBD keeps across all worlds. I could, of course, be way off base.
12/31/2009 4:27 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By tecwrg on 12/31/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By mark3313 on 12/31/2009
From 12/29/08 until 11/2/09 the OPS of all leagues was .780; now it's around .752.
A quick check of real life MLB for the 2009 season indicates that the average OPS for all 30 major league teams was .750.

Seems like they did a pretty darn good job of finally tweaking the engine to provide stats that more closely mirror real life. Which kind of is one of the points of the game.



Dude, don't bring logic into a discussion.... it's too hard to handle!
12/31/2009 4:28 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By bscoresby on 12/31/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By tecwrg on 12/31/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By mark3313 on 12/31/2009
From 12/29/08 until 11/2/09 the OPS of all leagues was .780; now it's around .752.
A quick check of real life MLB for the 2009 season indicates that the average OPS for all 30 major league teams was .750.

Seems like they did a pretty darn good job of finally tweaking the engine to provide stats that more closely mirror real life. Which kind of is one of the points of the game.




Dude, don't bring logic into a discussion.... it's too hard to handle!
Kind of like the hard data that keeps being provided but overlooked?
12/31/2009 4:30 PM
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I am seeing Home Runs down on all players over 70 not just the high end. Home Runs have been brought down to a more realistic level, I have no complaints about that. What does bother me is that players with high power ratings have been nerfed in comparison to players with low power ratings. Power should of dropped across the board, not make a 100 power hitter slightly better than a 80 power hitter and I think most of you are either not getting the point people are driving into you or ignoring that point.
12/31/2009 4:32 PM
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