Greatest DII Player of All-Time? Topic

Quote: Originally Posted By furry_nipps on 1/09/2010I've had div III guys better then him.
Doubt it.

I've had guys with some better ratings, obviously, but ai doubt you have ever had a big at D3 with better ratings across the board.

I would love for you to show me a D3 big with 72/40/90/60/72/70/35 for ath/spd/reb/def/sb/lp/pass.
1/10/2010 8:50 AM
Based on ratings, I've got two guys better than this guy at DII this year:

Edward Porath: 69ath/64spd/96reb/92def/96blk/66lp/47pas

Paul Haines: 72ath/52spd/90reb/78def/93blk/82lp/31pas

(sorry about the last of posting links, I'm not sure how to do that)

Neither of these players won even 1 NPOY. Porath was CPOY once.
1/10/2010 9:46 AM
Quote: Originally Posted By agentverde on 1/09/2010
Quote: Originally posted by gillispie on 1/09/2010 i would consider ratings a better measure than post season awards for the greatest d2 player of all time...

Do you also consider Vince Carter the greatest SG in history?

I mean, I get what you're saying...but the fact is ratings have changed over the seasons. It used to be, if you got a player with high WE and redshirted him, you'd end up with a monster down the line. I absolutely don't think Smith is the highest DII rated player of all-time, but winning three NPOYs seems to indicate he was the best player in Wooden DII for the last three years...can anyone else claim that?
The reason why gil is right is because winning awards like that is largely reflective of distro. I could take a good-but-not-great player, give him a ton of distro and rack up the awards.
1/10/2010 10:10 AM
Quote: Originally Posted By blackdog3377 on 1/10/2010
It makes me sad that I have a guy whos every bit as good if not better (95 reb, 99 LP, 69 ath, 38 speed) who after his junior year has only won 3rd team all conference once.
D-I-S-T-R-O.

Although your guy has 22 def, so I'd rather take the first player. (Not that your guy isn't an impressive DII player, he is.)

McCauley's two guys are better. If he had wanted to, he could've gotten them drafted, etc.
1/10/2010 10:13 AM
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1/10/2010 10:46 AM
Quote: Originally Posted By mcauley on 1/10/2010Based on ratings, I've got two guys better than this guy at DII this year:

Edward Porath: 69ath/64spd/96reb/92def/96blk/66lp/47pas

Paul Haines: 72ath/52spd/90reb/78def/93blk/82lp/31pas

(sorry about the last of posting links, I'm not sure how to do that)

Neither of these players won even 1 NPOY. Porath was CPOY once
Yeah, I've got two that would crush him.

http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=0&pid=1316370

http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=0&pid=1316371

But if we're talking about individual award success, I don't have anything close.
1/10/2010 12:26 PM
I don't know if you looked at Porath's rating but he was over 800. Isack I've had two posts in one recruiting class at stonehill with much better ratings than the ones you posted, but no one as good as Porath. Although, I have high hope for my freshman pg Mark Josephs.
1/10/2010 1:28 PM
Here is the thread from a month ago about the Junior who won the NPOY and declared. He was selected #23 overall.

http://www.whatifsports.com/forums/threads.asp?ForumID=30&TopicID=402306&PagePosition=10



1/10/2010 1:38 PM
Porath was an ineligible DI with a rating of nearly 600. A rare player, but he never really produced like I thought he should until his senior year.
1/10/2010 2:32 PM
Mcauley, I remember when you signed him I hoped he wouldn't stay so I didn't have to face him twice a year.
1/10/2010 4:12 PM
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1/11/2010 7:48 AM
Quote: Originally posted by blackdog3377 on 1/10/2010It makes me sad that I have a guy whos every bit as good if not better (95 reb, 99 LP, 69 ath, 38 speed) who after his junior year has only won 3rd team all conference once.
I know - at least my 77 ath/31 spd/100 reb/100 sb/93 lp player won CPOY this season.
1/11/2010 7:56 AM
Quote: Originally posted by agentverde on 1/09/2010
Quote: Originally posted by gillispie on 1/09/2010i would consider ratings a better measure than post season awards for the greatest d2 player of all time...
Do you also consider Vince Carter the greatest SG in history?

I mean, I get what you're saying...but the fact is ratings have changed over the seasons. It used to be, if you got a player with high WE and redshirted him, you'd end up with a monster down the line. I absolutely don't think Smith is the highest DII rated player of all-time, but winning three NPOYs seems to indicate he was the best player in Wooden DII for the last three years...can anyone else claim that?

good point. to me, this is similar to the real life problem - how do you compare players from different eras? how do you compare records after major alterations to the game - like the addition of the 3 pointer? there is no good answer, that i know of (i don't consider just stating the best player of each era a good answer, although it is acceptable to me).

anyway, post season awards are still a really bad measure, they are not like in real life where many people agree with the selection. a good player on a bad team has a massive advantage in those awards over a great player on a good team. i still feel ratings would have to play a part, along with post season success. for example, i had a red shirt guy who started for 4 years, and is the leading scorer in school history. he was a significant contributor his freshman year when the school made the final 4, one of the top players his soph year when the team won the title, and the undisputed team leader junior/senior year when the team also won titles. by ratings, he is my favorite d2 player ever. and i wouldn't even consider trading him for the national player of the year in d2 99% of the time. his ratings were like 50ath, 100spd, 50 reb, 50 def, 80 per, 70 bh, 70 pass, 100 sta.
1/11/2010 11:07 AM
i forgot to mention, i am pretty sure he never received a national anything award (except the championship rings).
1/11/2010 11:09 AM
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