Pitch Calling and its effect on my ERA Topic

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I accept that my pitching will be better with a higher PC. I still use the general guideline of .01 off ERA per PC point but I don't get all bent out of shape over 69 or 58. If the 58 can rake and the 69 can't, it's a rather obvious choice unless I can afford a dead bat in the line-up. And, because I value SS defense more than I value PC, I usually can't.
2/15/2010 10:09 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By lostpike on 2/14/2010The 72 PC guy has a 73 AS and a 63 AA. His batting #s are
8682498294


And, FWIW, this guy is probably a HOFer. Depending on his durability, he'd never sit vs. RH.
2/15/2010 10:13 AM
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i'd let him play for me
2/15/2010 10:18 AM
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I'm just saying, the devs seem to be pretty clear that PC does not primarily and directly effect pitches. And it is interesting when people are SO sure that you should use the high PC catcher with your SP with poor pitches, or to make sure that he "doesn't throw his crappy 5th pitch very often" or whatever. Good PC will make your pitchers a little better in general. There is zero reason to believe that it relates specifically to the pitcher's pitches.

Furthermore, it seems pretty clear to me that BA is most strongly effected by splits (both pitcher's and batter's) as opposed to the other ratings. Meaning that it seems likely that PC modifies the part of the equation where splits are a primary factor.
2/15/2010 10:19 AM
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From the 7/21/06 dev chat:

Q:/ Is it better for a pitcher to have 2 really good pitches or 2 really good pitches and 3 mediocre to lousy pitches? Does catcher pitch calling play into this? (csherwood - All*Star - 4:16 PM)

A:/ A guy with 2 pitches would typically be a reliever and a guy with 5 is usually a starter. Catcher pitch calling impacts OAV [my emphasis], so a good catcher definitely helps a pitching staff.
2/15/2010 10:25 AM
MikeT23
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Are you waiting for someone to agree with you?

Like any other rating, one number is better than the other. The OP wanted to get an idea on how much PC affected ERA. Pulling up 4 year old Dev Chats doesn't really address his question.
2/15/2010 10:28 AM
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Knucklbones said "If Im wrong someone show me where. I know for sure I saw that it modifies pitches and that it was a quote from the devs."

I just wanted to make sure he saw that someone had shown him where. Not waiting for any response. After all, he was giving emphatic and incorrect info to a new guy.
2/15/2010 10:32 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by gjello10 on 2/15/2010I'm just saying, the devs seem to be pretty clear that PC does not primarily and directly effect pitches.  And it is interesting when people are SO sure that you should use the high PC catcher with your SP with poor pitches, or to make sure that he "doesn't throw his crappy 5th pitch very often" or whatever.  Good PC will make your pitchers a little better in general.  There is zero reason to believe that it relates specifically to the pitcher's pitches.  Furthermore, it seems pretty clear to me that BA is most strongly effected by splits (both pitcher's and batter's) as opposed to the other ratings.  Meaning that it seems likely that PC modifies the part of the equation where splits are a primary factor.

i think the "use the high PC catcher with SP with poor pitches" line of thinking was a bit of forum myth that popped up a long time back, before site staff stated that PC modifies OAV. Unfortunately it just hasn't gone away, possible because it just SOUNDS right, but isn't.
2/15/2010 10:38 AM
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Im not seeing where either of your dev chat quotes show that it directly impacts pitches.
2/15/2010 10:39 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by sanderbear on 2/15/2010
Quote: Originally posted by sanderbear on 2/14/2010The SP for me has changed season to season, but every year, one guy seems more in sync with the backup. And that's how I give my starting C enough rest to keep him at 100 all year.
[/QUOTE]seems like a lot of work switching them in and out, all for something that i would guess is just randomness
If you know your starting C can only give you 135-140 starts, then you have to switch in and out anyway. It's easy enough to remember that SP X should be matched up with the backup.

yeah or you could just platoon him like normal people and create less work for yourself...also you get to rest your starting catcher against the pitchers (LHP or RHP) that he doesn't hit as well...instead you rest him so your backup can be the personal catcher for a pitcher for whom he has had random success in the past while there is no reason to think he will continue to do that...
2/15/2010 10:41 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By strikeout26 on 2/15/2010Im not seeing where either of your dev chat quotes show that it directly impacts pitches


He wanted someone to show him where he was wrong. The quotes show that PC does not primarily modify pitches.
2/15/2010 10:45 AM
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My apologies gjello....Was misunderstanding your posts and went back and read his.
2/15/2010 10:52 AM
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I like the defensive catcher personally. I want a catcher with a good PC and the ablity to hold players on base. Too many people overlook the fielding and arm of their catcher and never realize how many steals they are giving up. I just won a WS with one of my main strategies being stealing bases on poor catchers. If a guy is on second a single scores him, those add up.
2/17/2010 4:45 AM
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I'm having a hard time understanding how the PC can "only affect the OAV".

The problem to me is that OAV is a measure of events, not an event itself. I don't see how a rating can effect a measure directly. It seems to me that ratings would determine events only. It's not like hitters' splits affect batting average. They affect whether events become hits or outs (along with a whole bunch of other things obviously). The batting average is a measure of the effect, not the effect itself.

If PC rating determines something, it must, by definition impact some part of the formula that determines events. It cannot just "affect the OAV". This makes zero sense.
2/17/2010 1:09 PM
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You're awfully smart for someone with a misspelled screenname.
2/18/2010 4:04 AM
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