Not DITRs, are they ZITRs or TITRs? Topic

Or http://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=2128731, who got DITR under the old plan. Projects to a 99 Control, 77/87 splits and his first two pitches > 90. Before the bump, he was fringe at best. Please send more of these Barely Usable Pitchers my way.
3/11/2010 10:33 PM
I missed your point. still do.

You say it does something sometimes. griv said it doesnt do enough. You claim he wants a flood of all-stars, providing him with 4 examples of guys who were BL quality.

I still dont get your point. Maybe you are missing one?

"doesn't do enough" doesn't have to mean all all-stars, all the time.
3/11/2010 10:44 PM
two things. first, this from the most recent update announcement..


Hello HBD'ers!
We have a small update for you today that includes some minor changes we think you will all appreciate:
* Diamonds in the Rough have been increased by a few ratings points allowing for more players to contribute at the ML level than were previously allowed

and these q and a's from the january dev chat...

Can there be a system where more players exceed their original ratings predictions? As it stands now, it doesn't seem like there are too many Ecksteins or Piazzas ever found in the later rounds of the draft. (torrone - Pro - 12:31 PM)

This touches on two topics. First, is the scouting fuzziness that we plan on adjusting. The second is Diamond in the Rough players. A franchise can see certain players jump in their career paths. Between both of these pieces, you should be able to see some Piazzas and Ecksteins. But both of them are very rare, and that's the way we designed it in HBD, too.



Any chance we might see a expansion of Diamond in the Roughs. I play in 8 worlds and I have yet to see a diamond in the rough be a good major leaguer. It would be nice to see a player that was once a 65 projected overall rated player jump up to a 75 or 78 overall projected player. Currently what we see is minor leaguers become better future minor leaguers. (plague - Hall of Famer - 1:42 PM)

The idea behind DITRs is, on the whole, see a small group of players jump one level of skill with an even smaller subset make two skill level jumps. For instance, an organizational SS could become a fringe big leaguer. A fringe big leaguer could make the jump to regular. And every now and then, you could see a fringe big leaguer make the jump to All-Star. We review these periodically, and it's working properly. I've personally seen some on my team make the two level jump.



i dont see anything in the announcement or responses from admin that makes me think DITRs aren't working. they appear to be as advertised from these remarks. the key is bolded in the first chat response. fringe BL players that make the jump to all-star like eckstein's are VERY RARE. and the piazza's are even rarer, as they should be.

to say there should be more doesnt show a true appreciation for how special a case mike piazza really is. lasorda drafted him as a favor to the family because he knew them very well (if i remember that story correctly. dont be afraid to call me out there if im wrong).
3/11/2010 10:48 PM
for crying out loud, this thread isnt even 7 hours old and there are already three examples of dominant setup/closers posted here.
3/11/2010 10:50 PM
for crying out loud, frequency isn't the only way to improve something.
3/11/2010 10:55 PM
dag nabbit!
3/11/2010 10:56 PM
heh, besides, if one point of the DITR is to compensate for the lack of draft fuzziness, they maybe we should expect them to be more frequent than in real life.
3/11/2010 11:00 PM
dont forget either that the oldest world is only in season 16. id say the odds of someone going from fringe BL position player to all-star position player are much, much greater than 16-1.
3/11/2010 11:01 PM
Does that include the odds of someone becoming an all-star after the 30th pick (or so), if DITR are supposed to compensate for that?
3/11/2010 11:09 PM
i think i could have worded that better. my point is that the odds of one fringe BL, let's say SS, becoming an all-star per world, per season is far greater than 16-1 (regardless of where he was drafted or if he was an IFA).
3/11/2010 11:20 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By grivfmd1 on 3/11/2010
"The idea behind DITRs is, on the whole, see a small group of players jump one level of skill with an even smaller subset make two skill level jumps. For instance, an organizational SS could become a fringe big leaguer. A fringe big leaguer could make the jump to regular. And every now and then, you could see a fringe big leaguer make the jump to All-Star." - from the developer chat

I have NEVER seen a fringe ML player become a regular ML position player nevermind a positional player jump to all-star status. What we have is an occasional RP or catcher who becomes a Barely Usable MLer (BUMs). Make it work or get rid of it.

Or someone post the fringe positional player who became an ALL-Star through the DITR process.

They seem to be so very rare that in 11(?) seasons of DITR I have never heard of one in any league

The occasional 30-40 durability reliever becomes useful but otherwise BUMs at best. Want to keep the feature, change the name - there are no Diamonds coming out of HBDs rough - so, yes Tec, despite "changes" I won't be bothering looking at my Ditrs in the future - not going to waste my time
3/12/2010 4:21 AM
Quote: Originally Posted By nfet on 3/11/2010I missed your point. still do.

You say it does something sometimes. griv said it doesnt do enough. You claim he wants a flood of all-stars, providing him with 4 examples of guys who were BL quality.

I still dont get your point. Maybe you are missing one?

"doesn't do enough" doesn't have to mean all all-stars, all the time


It does enough. If you get a BL-quality player every now and then, that's plenty. And if you don't get one, rest assured that someone else did.

What do you want for free?
3/12/2010 6:05 AM
Quote: Originally Posted By grivfmd1 on 3/12/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By grivfmd1 on 3/11/2010

"The idea behind DITRs is, on the whole, see a small group of players jump one level of skill with an even smaller subset make two skill level jumps. For instance, an organizational SS could become a fringe big leaguer. A fringe big leaguer could make the jump to regular. And every now and then, you could see a fringe big leaguer make the jump to All-Star." - from the developer chat

I have NEVER seen a fringe ML player become a regular ML position player nevermind a positional player jump to all-star status. What we have is an occasional RP or catcher who becomes a Barely Usable MLer (BUMs). Make it work or get rid of it.

Or someone post the fringe positional player who became an ALL-Star through the DITR process.

They seem to be so very rare that in 11(?) seasons of DITR I have never heard of one in any league

The occasional 30-40 durability reliever becomes useful but otherwise BUMs at best. Want to keep the feature, change the name - there are no Diamonds coming out of HBDs rough - so, yes Tec, despite "changes" I won't be bothering looking at my Ditrs in the future - not going to waste my time



Will you also stop wasting time with pointless threads about DITR?
3/12/2010 6:07 AM
Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 3/12/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By nfet on 3/11/2010I missed your point. still do.

You say it does something sometimes. griv said it doesnt do enough. You claim he wants a flood of all-stars, providing him with 4 examples of guys who were BL quality.

I still dont get your point. Maybe you are missing one?

"doesn't do enough" doesn't have to mean all all-stars, all the time.It does enough.   If you get a BL-quality player every now and then, that's plenty.  And if you don't get one, rest assured that someone else did.What do you want for free?


If it is enough i guess is the point. Maybe that's griv's main concern.

I might agree with him, but for me I'd rather have a feature that was a bit more strategic. Random allotment of DITRs doesnt sit completely rest assured with me. Again, frequency isn't the only way to improve something.

And, i don't want it for free. I'm happy to pay for each season.
3/12/2010 6:35 AM
I proposed something long ago based on performance, coaching, level and age. Essentially you'd increase your chances by having good coaches and players at the right levels performing well. There would have been a lot less DITR but virtually all of them would be BL players.

In short, only teams with a top 5 coach would be eligible at RL, LoA, HiA. Only 1st-2nd year players would be eligible. And only those performing at a pre-set skill level would be eligible. Only teams with winning records at that level would be eligible.

It would make coach hiring at the lower levels important. It would make promotions and proper placement important. It would make minor league performance mean something(and encourage owners to tend to their minors). And there would be virtually no "My DITR is ZIRT!!!" whining. Because very few would get one.
3/12/2010 7:02 AM
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