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You're a little girl.

First, you can't man up and say, "Yes, I made several key gameplanning mistakes, at least one of which is so elementary and obvious that I should be publicly caned for not doing it".

Second, as usual, you can't accept the explanations of people who simply know a heck of a lot more than you do. (And if that was ever in doubt, your coaching shortcomings have cleared any of that right up.)

Third, you either don't understand the points being made to you, or understand them and desperately try to twist them around so they won't be so damning. (I.E. when it's been pointed out several times that your team isn't good, isn't THAT much better than the opponent, that the opponent had HCA and massive ft advantages ... your response, instead of acknolwedging the legitimacy of the points, is to continuing whining.)

Fourth, you have no idea how to see the big picture and understand what's important and what isn't. You think pointing to one game (or one stat from one game) bears any kind of real relevance.

Fifth, you try to harp on little bits of minutiae that have no real bearing on the topic at hand, and then whine like a little ***** when each and every one of these bits isn't (in your opinion) properly addressed, despite the fact that they don't need to be addressed.

In short, you're a completely hopeless imbecile who doesn't get it, never will and insists on polluting the forums. I couldn't be more sick of you. Get a clue.

4/25/2010 7:27 PM

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Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 4/25/2010

You're a little girl. Namecalling...fantastic...

First, you can't man up and say, "Yes, I made several key gameplanning mistakes, at least one of which is so elementary and obvious that I should be publicly caned for not doing it". If I did, I would have done this in a heartbeat. I'll own up to anything that I'm wrong about, this isn't one of them. Tell me why a gameplan used against the same quality of team, begetting a 46 point win, was wrong to use against Montevallo, a team with 5 walk-ons. If that beat St. Leo by 46...it should at least beat Montevallo by 10, right? This is common sense here, I made no mistakes....bottom line is, the game is an EASY gimme, no doubt...anything other than a W there is absolute crap.

Second, as usual, you can't accept the explanations of people who simply know a heck of a lot more than you do. (And if that was ever in doubt, your coaching shortcomings have cleared any of that right up.) Your "justifications" don't equate to the entirety of what happened, thus why should I just accept it, because you say so? Please. You tend not to give me the benefit of the doubt because of the way I rage against these things, and that's understandable, but come on, I should have won this game regardless, and that's the point here. There's no doubt you know a lot more about the game and are a better coach than me...I'll own that every day and twice today.

Third, you either don't understand the points being made to you, or understand them and desperately try to twist them around so they won't be so damning. (I.E. when it's been pointed out several times that your team isn't good, isn't THAT much better than the opponent, that the opponent had HCA and massive ft advantages ... your response, instead of to acknolwedge the legitimacy of the points, is to continuing whining.) Your justification simply doesn't equate to the result. You're pushing your side while failing to accept/consider my side. You know I should have won this game. What is so hard about answering why they shot better than I did and why I turned the ball over more? Why are you skirting those?

Fourth, you have no idea how to see the big picture and understand what's important and what isn't. You think pointing to one game (or one stat from one game) bears any kind of real relevance. So now you roll out the "its only one game" excuse...dalter...really? This is what your argument has become...unreal...

Fifth, you try to harp on little bits of minutiae that have no real bearing to the topic at hand, and then whine like a little ***** when each of these bits isn't (in your opinion) properly addressed, despite the fact that they don't need to be addressed. Such as? You like to skirt points of mine that you don't want to respond to because you know you don't have a good answer. I'll respond to anything, just put it out there...what little bits are we talking about...you talking about Montevallo's big C- HCA...ltm.

In short, you're a completely hopeless imbecile who doesn't get it, never will and insists on polluting the forums. I couldn't be more sick of you. Get a clue. And I find you incredibly underwhelming because you argue the company side in boxscore arguments and never properly address the valid points I bring up....sad, sad, sad....*tear*.........

The only thing you really can't stand is that I don't say "Yes, my Lord" to every last thing that you say here. By the way, where was that thread where you ever didn't take WIS' side as far as a boxscore was concerned? I asked you that time and again, and crickets.

4/25/2010 7:36 PM

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I dont run the Triangle offense ever. But isnt passing and ball handling ratings important from the pg,sg,sf spots if so i would give Manon a start at the 3. He's 70% from the field on the season plus he has a 7-1 asts to turnover ratio.

4/25/2010 8:33 PM

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WIS understands that some results pop out like this and thats why they are rolling out a new engine. Also, you beat my yet lose to this terrible sim team...wow, I must be terrible.

4/25/2010 8:39 PM

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Quote: Originally posted by furry_nipps on 4/25/2010Your team isn't good. Should you have won? Yeah, nobody is saying that the sim was better. However, your team isn't that much better then them. They have some advantages, you have others. You didn't maximize your advantages and you lost a close game. Sim it more and probably 7 out of 10 you'd win. 70% is above average, but it isn't no 'slam dunk' win if you don't use your depth advantage and such. With this game plan I'd say it drops from 70% to closer to 60% or maybe slightly less in favor of you. You played bad defencive game plan and they hit there shots. On the flip side you didn't cash in on your free bees (40ish% from the foul line jus ain't going to cut it no matter how bad the team you play is)

Long-time vets will remember when Furry was the guy everyone picked on or didn't like. Now he's the sane, rational, wise one. Maybe it's because he has a kid now. But Colonels would be very wise to listen to him as he's 100% correct above.

4/25/2010 8:53 PM

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COlonels, if you look at the starters Montevalo looks like a substantially better team than the St LEo's team you beat. Especially with their star player.

And if you picked games that were truly beyond the pale, you might see some agreement, but go on with your paranoid fantasies that we are all just conspiring to slag off Colonels.

Face it, you just AREN'T that important.

4/25/2010 8:57 PM

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Even with a perfect storm of bad strategic decisions, hitting just 63% of your free throws woudl have STILL gotten you a win.

4/25/2010 9:09 PM

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You're actually trying to run out the argument that "A beat B, and B beat C, so naturally A should clobber C"? Seriously?

Hey, here's an idea. Instead of ******** and moaning about how the Sim is out to screw you, maybe, just maybe, you should read some of the responses in this thread and learn a little about the game. There is some good, valid info in here explaining different ways you could have improved your gameplan, yet all you do is put your hands over your ears and scream at the top of your lungs that the Sim continually screws you over.

You imply in one of your earlier posts that Dalter has a predisposed bias against you and anything you post. Well, I think it's pretty damn obvious to anyone familiar with any of the recent threads that you have a predisposed opinion of Dalter and what you think he stands for. In your mind, he's the ultimate WIS apologist but I can tell you that outside of maybe OR, there is no one that I have seen yet who has been more CRITICAL of WIS and how they operate HD than Dalter. He's posted some valuable info here, but because of who posted it, and your bias against him, you decide to take it with a grain of salt. Your choice, but the bottom line here is that you made some basic coaching errors in your gameplan that ended up costing you.

And by the way, the talent disparity between the two teams in question is not nearly as large as you would like to think it is. As Furry said, you have the better team in this matchup, but relative to other D2 teams, yours just isn't very good. Sorry, but that's the brutal, honest truth.

4/25/2010 9:56 PM

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Quote: Originally Posted By cthomas22255 on 4/25/2010
Quote: Originally posted by furry_nipps on 4/25/2010 Your team isn't good. Should you have won? Yeah, nobody is saying that the sim was better. However, your team isn't that much better then them. They have some advantages, you have others. You didn't maximize your advantages and you lost a close game. Sim it more and probably 7 out of 10 you'd win. 70% is above average, but it isn't no 'slam dunk' win if you don't use your depth advantage and such. With this game plan I'd say it drops from 70% to closer to 60% or maybe slightly less in favor of you. You played bad defencive game plan and they hit there shots. On the flip side you didn't cash in on your free bees (40ish% from the foul line jus ain't going to cut it no matter how bad the team you play is)

Long-time vets will remember when Furry was the guy everyone picked on or didn't like. Now he's the sane, rational, wise one. Maybe it's because he has a kid now. But Colonels would be very wise to listen to him as he's 100% correct above.

Amazing, isn't it? The change from the "old" Furry to the "new" Furry has been nothing short of miraculous. Like night and day. Kudos to him for the change, he should be commended.

P.S. Didn't realize that he had a child now. I remember him saying something about it, but for some reason I thought I remembered him saying it was a false alarm. Anyway, Cory congratulations on becoming a father. Now raise him/her well!!!

4/25/2010 10:00 PM

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ok colonels, i have skipped over most of the cat fighting. but before i give you an explanation, lets set a base line here. both teams in the game are pretty bad. meaning, it would take a real down year for either of you to be better than a 99%/1% dog to my team in that world. so, from where most people are standing, one team upsetting the other is no big deal. if you wonder why people are giving you a whats the big deal reaction, well, that's why.

your iq is bad, theirs is horrible. really bad iq = screwy results, and i see nothing wrong with that.

i don't blame you for not running uptempo. but this is probably one of the 1% of cases where i would probably run uptempo myself. still, not a big deal IMO. uptempo and bad iq are probably just as likely to produce a screwy result anyway.

you play a 2-3 zone that is not strong. they shot 7-16 threes. no big mystery there. a little above average? maybe, but no more.

your poor ft shooters shot even worse. not too badly though, statistically, its very unimpressive.

your offense played poorly in terms of shooting. considering their defense, its kind of surprising, but considering your offense, its not an eye opener by any stretch.

so, in summary, you played a sim who is widely reknown for leaning on their best players hard and taking lots of 3s. the first part negated much of your age/walkon advantage, the latter when paired with your zone gives the sim a fighting chance. if you live and die by the 3, well, sometimes you live by it :) also, you were away, and as much as you would like to discount that, it is fairly important. all in all, i would say you got unlucky sure, but really, its not surprising at all. by repeatedly calling wolf on games that just aren't that unrealistic, it really diminishes your "HDs randomness is broken" argument.

before you respond, keep in mind both teams are less than 1% against the top teams in the division and when that is true, its hard to find a game with skewed results the community will care about less.

4/25/2010 10:18 PM

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Good analysis Gill, as would be expected.

4/25/2010 10:21 PM

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After some reflection, I'll also add that I regret getting personal. Very frustrating person to deal with, but no reason for me to fly off the handle in that manner.

colonels, hopefully you got enough rational explanations and breakdowns from me, dcy, gillispie and furry to develop a better understanding.

4/25/2010 11:20 PM

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Hopefully, but I seriously doubt that will happen Dalter. He seems to be stuck with a certain mindset and despite his claims of having an open mind, has yet to show it as it relates to game results.

4/25/2010 11:52 PM

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Quote: Originally posted by dalter on 4/25/2010After some reflection, I'll also add that I regret getting personal. Very frustrating person to deal with, but no reason for me to fly off the handle in that manner. colonels, hopefully you got enough rational explanations and breakdowns from me, dcy, gillispie and furry to develop a better understanding.

it can happen to anyone, don't sweat it :) all i will say is, while colonels was pretty outrageous and bull headed for quite a few posts a couple months back, i think on the whole he has tried to listen to reason and drop the personal stuff. i think he might have a little ways to go on the bull headed part but you have to give him at least some credit for trying :) and i do think he has been a LOT more reasonable, at least a ten times improvement.

4/25/2010 11:54 PM

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Changing gears just a bit, Gill, I've seen you say in this and a couple of other threads that you think normal tempo is generally the way to go and that uptempo was usually a bad choice. Would you care to elaborate at all? I'm sure there are a lot more coaches than just me who would be interested in your theories.

4/25/2010 11:55 PM

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