Posted by colonels19 on 8/7/2010 9:26:00 AM (view original):

Posted by daalter on 8/6/2010 11:20:00 PM (view original):

Posted by colonels19 on 8/6/2010 7:06:00 PM (view original):
Daalter, I got banned for personal attacks, and I'll be damned if I'm going to let a guy with you get away with the same, that's why you were redlined...just saying.

Again, there is a fine line between realism and ridiculousness. In this case, HD is too complex for it's own good...it should be on the outs just as grades should. Show me one person that would be ****** if they ELIMINATED players who weren't promised anything, griping/leaving, because I'd love to see it.

colonels, I'm going to put this in the nicest way that I possibly can:

You can redline my nuts, *****.

I knew nothing good could possibly come from unblocking one of your posts.

It's funny because you were the guy coming at me earlier this year about my harsh/brashness, my name calling, etc...and now you simply resort to it while I've scaled it back quite a bit. Way to take the high road and learn something. As always, I'm as bad as you want me to be. Feel free to return to your censored life because you have no self control...

Now you're just typing things that you don't even know that they mean, lol. "I'm as bad as you want me to be" ... "feel free to return to your sensored life". Just hilarious. Totally hilarious.

Posted by daalter on 8/6/2010 11:21:00 PM (view original):
As I said before, if colonels actually thinks that players riding the bench in real life simply just plaster a smile on their face and patiently wait for their turn to come some day, all that means is that he's never spent any time around a college basketball or football team. Clueless.

I didn't say that that was the case, but logical human beings should understand that unless you're a John Wall, Kevin Durant, Michael Beasley, etc-type, that most likely the upper classmen will play more than the lower classmen...that's just the way college sports tend to work. There's obviously a reason beyond politics that you're not getting on the floor. I can't help that everyone on a college basketball or football team is too much of a pompous *** to not understand and realize the situation that they're in, but if you do feel like you're good enough and that you're better than most guys on the team, you'll probably be starting your JR and SR years...as my SOs will be in HD.

And fwiw, I played football in HS for 4 years (I know, not the same) and I don't ever really remember anyone complaining about PT. On varsity, mostly seniors started and the juniors were backups. I didn't quit as a junior because I barely played, I knew that I'd get my shot as a senior and worked my *** off junior year to better understand the offense and prepare for when I would play. Nobody likes riding the bench, but someone has to do it, and generally its going to be FRs and SOs...I don't see how or why this is hard to understand. Shut your mouth and work your *** off, period.

Above all, this crap doesn't belong in the game, because now we're talking about player personalities? If I wanted to further explore psychology...I'd go get my Masters. Again...show me 1 person that says players in this game that weren't promised anything, griping about minutes is a good thing that should be in the game. I don't play HD to be an actual college basketball coach...why do you think NFL Head Coach is rather unpopular...because it's way too complex and I play games to play games, not to do jobs, and day to day offseason operations are just *yawn* and overly intricate.

Posted by daalter on 8/7/2010 9:37:00 AM (view original):

Posted by colonels19 on 8/7/2010 9:26:00 AM (view original):

Posted by daalter on 8/6/2010 11:20:00 PM (view original):

Posted by colonels19 on 8/6/2010 7:06:00 PM (view original):
Daalter, I got banned for personal attacks, and I'll be damned if I'm going to let a guy with you get away with the same, that's why you were redlined...just saying.

Again, there is a fine line between realism and ridiculousness. In this case, HD is too complex for it's own good...it should be on the outs just as grades should. Show me one person that would be ****** if they ELIMINATED players who weren't promised anything, griping/leaving, because I'd love to see it.

colonels, I'm going to put this in the nicest way that I possibly can:

You can redline my nuts, *****.

I knew nothing good could possibly come from unblocking one of your posts.

It's funny because you were the guy coming at me earlier this year about my harsh/brashness, my name calling, etc...and now you simply resort to it while I've scaled it back quite a bit. Way to take the high road and learn something. As always, I'm as bad as you want me to be. Feel free to return to your censored life because you have no self control...

Now you're just typing things that you don't even know that they mean, lol. "I'm as bad as you want me to be" ... "feel free to return to your sensored life". Just hilarious. Totally hilarious.

Hey if you want to deny what you really are man...that's fine, but understand that you're in denial. I'll deal with you however you want...the di are always in the Yahtzee cup.

Posted by daalter on 8/6/2010 11:21:00 PM (view original):
As I said before, if colonels actually thinks that players riding the bench in real life simply just plaster a smile on their face and patiently wait for their turn to come some day, all that means is that he's never spent any time around a college basketball or football team. Clueless.

Posted by colonels19 on 8/7/2010
I didn't say that that was the case ...

Uh, yes you did. Right from the beginning:
"Do you really think in real life that players <profanity>****</profanity> and moan routinely about not getting on the court."

Yes they do. Absolutely. You're just wrong.

Posted by girt25 on 8/7/2010 9:50:00 AM (view original):

Posted by daalter on 8/6/2010 11:21:00 PM (view original):
As I said before, if colonels actually thinks that players riding the bench in real life simply just plaster a smile on their face and patiently wait for their turn to come some day, all that means is that he's never spent any time around a college basketball or football team. Clueless.

Posted by colonels19 on 8/7/2010
I didn't say that that was the case ...

Uh, yes you did. Right from the beginning:
"Do you really think in real life that players <profanity>****</profanity> and moan routinely about not getting on the court."

Yes they do. Absolutely. You're just wrong.

And you're still spinning my argument...Daalter suggested that I said that players were smiling and happy about being on the bench and that's what "I didn't say was the case"...really try to keep up.

Still doesn't belong in the game.

You need to keep up, simpleton. I am daalter.

You simply maintained that in real life, players don't **** and moan about being stuck on the bench.

The reality is that the opposite is true. They ****-and-moan all of the time about exactly that.

Epic fail.

Posted by girt25 on 8/7/2010 9:54:00 AM (view original):
You need to keep up, simpleton. I am daalter.

You simply maintained that in real life, players don't **** and moan about being stuck on the bench.

The reality is that the opposite is true. They ****-and-moan all of the time about exactly that.

Epic fail.

Sorry I can't keep up with all your aliai.......

How about you site your references as well. What teams are you talking about where you've seen this happen IN PERSON.

Posted by colonels19 on 8/7/2010 9:57:00 AM (view original):

Posted by girt25 on 8/7/2010 9:54:00 AM (view original):
You need to keep up, simpleton. I am daalter.

You simply maintained that in real life, players don't **** and moan about being stuck on the bench.

The reality is that the opposite is true. They ****-and-moan all of the time about exactly that.

Epic fail.

Sorry I can't keep up with all your aliai.......

Yes, I can see how having to keep track of both daalter and girt25 would be enough to make your poor little head spin.

But you ignored the point.

Which is that you offered up a very basic premise, and it's simply dead wrong.

Posted by daalter on 8/7/2010 9:59:00 AM (view original):

Posted by colonels19 on 8/7/2010 9:57:00 AM (view original):

Posted by girt25 on 8/7/2010 9:54:00 AM (view original):
You need to keep up, simpleton. I am daalter.

You simply maintained that in real life, players don't **** and moan about being stuck on the bench.

The reality is that the opposite is true. They ****-and-moan all of the time about exactly that.

Epic fail.

Sorry I can't keep up with all your aliai.......

Yes, I can see how having to keep track of both daalter and girt25 would be enough to make your poor little head spin.

But you ignored the point.

Which is that you offered up a very basic premise, and it's simply dead wrong.

Dude, you ignored a whole slew of my posts...but again, I'm just supposed to respond to everything you say because you think you're better/smarter than me. I know your game. I doubt that on every team in CBB that there's CONSTANT ******* and moaning about PT.

How about you site your references as well. What teams are you talking about where you've seen this happen IN PERSON.

Posted by colonels19 on 8/7/2010 10:02:00 AM (view original):
How about you site your references as well. What teams are you talking about where you've seen this happen IN PERSON.

First, I already acknowledged that of course it doesn't happen every time with every player. But it happens a lot. Again, try to keep up.

To answer your question, I used to be a sportswriter and covered college hoops and football. I've been in probably every practice field and locker room in the Big Ten. I also have lots of friends who still cover teams. So yeah, I have a ton of first-hand experience with this.

Posted by daalter on 8/7/2010 10:04:00 AM (view original):

Posted by colonels19 on 8/7/2010 10:02:00 AM (view original):
How about you site your references as well. What teams are you talking about where you've seen this happen IN PERSON.

First, I already acknowledged that of course it doesn't happen every time with every player. But it happens a lot. Again, try to keep up.

To answer your question, I used to be a sportswriter and covered college hoops and football. I've been in probably every practice field and locker room in the Big Ten. I also have lots of friends who still cover teams. So yeah, I have a ton of first-hand experience with this.

"You simply maintained that in real life, players don't **** and moan about being stuck on the bench.

The reality is that the opposite is true. They ****-and-moan all of the time about exactly that."

Just noting the above because you said ALL the time...not most, not some...ALL...so now you're backtracking...cute.

You're still on the periphery with your claim(s)...give me one specific example where you remember a guy griping about PT in your presence.

Posted by colonels19 on 8/7/2010 10:07:00 AM (view original):

Posted by daalter on 8/7/2010 10:04:00 AM (view original):

Posted by colonels19 on 8/7/2010 10:02:00 AM (view original):
How about you site your references as well. What teams are you talking about where you've seen this happen IN PERSON.

First, I already acknowledged that of course it doesn't happen every time with every player. But it happens a lot. Again, try to keep up.

To answer your question, I used to be a sportswriter and covered college hoops and football. I've been in probably every practice field and locker room in the Big Ten. I also have lots of friends who still cover teams. So yeah, I have a ton of first-hand experience with this.

"You simply maintained that in real life, players don't **** and moan about being stuck on the bench.

The reality is that the opposite is true. They ****-and-moan all of the time about exactly that."

Just noting the above because you said ALL the time...not most, not some...ALL...so now you're backtracking...cute.

You're still on the periphery with your claim(s)...give me one specific example where you remember a guy griping about PT in your presence.

You can't be this dumb. You just can't. I refuse to believe it.

When I said, "They ****-and-moan all of the time about exactly that", that's not a literal meaning that every player ****** and moans about it every time. It means that it is common, frequent. I.E. "Hey, OR, you ever make a Final Four" ... "Sure, I make final fours all of the time". Or, "Hey, moy, ever been to Wrigley?" ... "Sure, I go to Cubs game all of the time". (Not to mention the fact that on Pg. 1 or 2 I specifically said that of course it wasn't every player every time, but it was frequent. So again ... fail.)

My lord, I don't even know where to start with the examples of guys not being happy about PT. Here's a good one: When Ron Dayne got to Wisconsin, there was a vet rb there named Carl McCullough. Dayne didn't start the first four or so games of his freshman year, but he'd come in and it would be apparent that while Carl was good, Dayne was a revelation. Soon enough, Carl was sent to the bench. This is a guy who was playing behind the leading rusher in NCAA history and a 2,000-yard runner and he was still unbelievably ****** and livid.

So, so, so many examples I can offer. That one popped up in my head instantly because it demonstrates that even a guy playing behind a super stud can still be ****** about playing time. I could offer dozens more.

Posted by colonels19 on 8/7/2010 9:31:00 AM (view original):

Posted by jetwildcat on 8/6/2010 10:43:00 PM (view original):
hey colonels...you're just dead wrong here. players transfer in real life because they don't get playing time...and the reason they don't get playing time is because other players on the team are better than them.

just look at villanova, in the past 4 years Bilal Benn, who was a decent recruit but only averaged 9 min a game as a soph, transferred to niagara. Then malcom grant transferred the next season cuz he couldnt get playing time behind scottie reynolds and corey fisher.

did benn deserve more minutes than he got? nope. he transferred. grant was definitely not as good as reynolds or fisher, but transferred.

this fantasy world you have made up where players "understand they are the 3rd best at their position and dont complain" doesn't exist. if players want playing time, they leave. they only have 4 years of eligibility, they're gonna want to play.

Even if my claims are wrong, I still don't think that players griping about minutes who weren't promised anything should be apart of this game...while we're at it, grades too. That's really the main point here. The game doesn't benefit at all from having pointless miniutiae like this. Again, HD is interesting enough without having to babysit your whiny players, and trying to adjust my lineup NOT so that I have the best 5-10 guys on the floor the most...but to please all of my players all of the time because they'll leave if I don't. It's clearly detrimental to the game.

if we're not trying to replicate real life then why are we simulating real sports? lets make a fantasy "hutball" sim where nobody can argue with the results and bench players are grinning robots. we'll call it "poops dynasty" cuz nobody would be interested in playing in the first place.

Hell, as long as we're on the subject of Wisconsin rb's, another guy that Dayne eventually pushed out was Aaron Stecker, who was also really ****** about PT and transferred to Western Illinois before eventually making the NFL for about eight seasons.