52 Mil Draft - Rosters, Commentary Topic

I'm second guessing my 2nd and 3rd round picks at this point. Took Walton over Duncan based basically on defensive rebounding. But Chris Paul and Duncan would have been a nice inside/outside offensive combo. My third round pick at that point would have been Brent Barry or Troy Murphy. I got seduced by seeing Dr. J. at pick number 59 and couldn't resist since I needed more offensive fire power after taking Walton in the 2nd round.

Now I'm trying to figure out how to fill out the roster and am not even sure of what position I need to take in round 4. 
3/27/2011 8:51 PM
 1) tricky24 - Wilt Chamberlain, Grant Hill, Chauncey Billups,

Wilt's always a good top 3 pick in the funk52.  Hill gives him some nice board help at the 3, as well as good ast%, but I don't care for Hill's offense that much.  He is a classic mid-range scorer, which still isn't primo in the sim.  I certainly dislike him as your highest usage player... so I would hope you're using a higher usage Wilt... then I think you'll run into some wasted usage with Billups.  I'd love a monster Wilt + Billups, or Support Wilt + another big usage guy + Billups, but I don't think this trio will be as good as they look on paper.


  2) banditone - LeBron James, Dirk Nowitzki, Steve Nash,

LeBron is worth picking first in almost any format at this point.  You don't need all the excess usage with Dirk AND Nash, but you've got some great efg% & a lot of threes...  Nash kind of screws up the great tov% you had rolling with King/Dirk, which is a bummer, and he gives you nothing as far as back court rebounds, but it's a reasonable start.


  3) coachcroft - Dennis Rodman, Gary Payton, Manu Ginobili,

I love where this can go.  Rodman should be a top 5 pick in pretty much any format, and in a $52M format you can afford to use the 91-92 version at the 3.  Combined with the back court rebounding potential of the Glove & Ginobili, you're going to be a force in the possession war.  Ginobili is a god for about 30 minutes a game.  All three are great defenders.  Not a lot of weakness to speak about.  I'm not a huge Payton fan offensively, but much of the sim is shifting away from needing to have all huge efg% scorers.


  4) sappy - Michael Jordan, Buck Williams, Bob McAdoo,

MJ is still a sim-god (rightfully so).  Buck is a great compliment.  I don't care for McAdoo here (though he is great - and you got great value for him) as I think you might have wanted to go for more boards, but it's the makings of a solid squad.


  5) felonius - Moses Malone, Paul Pierce, Donyell Marshall,

Let me get this straight.  You have 44%+ creb% at your 4 (or 5), almost another 30 at your 3, and then flirting with 20 at your 2.  You've got 6700+ minutes between just 2 guys, and both of your higher usage players get to the line plenty.  Your 3 gives you 3s and your high volume guy does, too.  Good defense all around.  And you still have a ton of flexibility with your last two picks (as long as you get some ast%).  Scariest team thus far.


  6) katernberg - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Mel Daniels, Gerald Wallace,

I love Kareem, though I think there were better options to build around.  Daniels is a nice compliment to pretty much anybody, so that's good.  Wallace gives you 25%+ creb% at the 2, along with good defense.  Good news is that you have a lot of boards, defense and usage (you have 10 points of usage right now).  My only concern going forward would be - where are the threes?


  7) ncih - Magic Johnson, Robert Parish, David Lee,

Magic is probably the 2nd best point guard behind Lebron when it comes to upper tier usage (blasphemy, I know) and is certainly one of the best (and easiest) guys to build around in the current environment.  Parish & Lee provide you with more of what you need (boards & efg%) and are perfect compliments to him.  This is a great start.


  8) jakotay - Charles Barkley, Wes Unseld, Clyde Drexler,

This might have been high for Chuck in this format, but maybe not.  His best seasons got jacked up way high because of TS% being part of the formula for salary, which is dumb because nobody gets to the line near as often as they did IRL.  But he's still a force and can be utilized at the three.  Being a $52M league, you can even use one of those seasons that got drilled.  If you can't make it work, the 90-91 season is an incredible buy.  Unseld is a very nice compliment, as is Drexler, assuming you don't kill Chuck's possessions.  Drexler is very nice in the backcourt, giving you 20%+ creb%.

  9) 98average (1) - Dwight Howard, Shawn Kemp, Bobby Jones,

Good boards.  Good efg%.  Good God, help us all.


10) 98average (2) - Artis Gilmore, Tim Duncan, Cedric Maxwell,

Same as above except a minor ewwww @ Duncan.  It's a sad world where Kemp is better than Duncan.


11) vancem - Chris Paul, Bill Walton, Julius Erving,

I think Paul went way too high here.  Assuming you use the seasons I think you'll use, however, you've got nice back court rebounding and solid for half the game with Walton.  Lots of ways to go here.  You do have some good stuff working defensively, too.


12) captainzen - Shaquille O'Neal, Kevin Mchale, Fat Lever,

Shaq & McHale are efg% gods and wonderful to build around, but lack boards.  Oh, hi there, Fat Lever.  Nice pick-up.  I don't know if he's enough, though.  As long as you get solid boards at the 2 & 3 while getting your 3s and some more assists, this squad could be dangerous.


13) mikee1 - David Robinson, Scottie Pippen, Tom Boerwinkle,

Are there any Admiral seasons that are 100% at PF anymore?  If so, then I love this.  If not, I still like it but a little less.  Pippen takes away from the Admiral's possessions, which I don't like, but he does give you a lot of good from the 2.  With just him & Winkle, you'll be able to get a far from typical PG, which is good because the high-rebounding, 3-point bombers are all (about?) gone.


14) garyman - Larry Bird, Kevin Willis, Mookie Blaylock,

Bird is making a comeback.  I still hate the idea of having him as my highest usage player because of the lack of FTAs (who would want to foul him, anyway?), but with everything else he brings, it's worth taking him high AND building around in a draft type environment.  Willis is a piece of **** that I doubt I'll ever use on a team again, but he will get you some rebounds.  It's insane that Mookie fell this far.  He's definitely worth considering in the mid/early 2nd round.  Kidd is the only one better at almost everything you get with Mookie:  Boards, assists, efg%.  Mookie gives more 3s & steals...


15) malone9975 - Hakeem Olajuwon, Ray Allen, Brent Barry, 

I think you sprung for Dream too early.  I've given my dream spill before, but I'll give it again:  My high usage player(s) have to give me some combination of high efg%, a large number of FTAs, and a lot of boards (or threes if back court).  Olajuwon has seasons where he gives all of these, but never at the same time!  On top of that he fouls a ton which blows chunks in this sim.  I'll never forget drafting him in round 3 and then regretting it 2x a day until the season was over. 

All that said, you got good value for Jesus.  I doubt people have forgotten how dominant he was in the last incarnation of the sim for $42M leagues, and well, $52M now isn't far off from what $42M was back then.  He's easily a 2nd rounder.  Though I believe many people are giving up offensive, bomber-type guards for ones that rebound and play defense more.  Still, I really like where this team is and where it's going, if, and only if, your back court is Allen & Barry.  If one or the other is your SF, then I think this team is headed in a bad direction.


16) scudmissle - Jerry Lucas, Kevin Durant, Peja Stojakovic,

Lucas's 3075 minute season is sooooo good, and he has a plethora of other really good ones, too.  Durant's 09-10 season is an absolute monster if you build around it correctly, and if there's anybody that can, it's the Scud.  Peja adds an interesting dynamic here... putting you on the line will be costly!  I don't like Peja's rebounding for the current environment, however.  Still, this team is in good shape and has lots of room to expand in the right way.


17) ashamael - Jason Kidd, Kobe Bryant, Carlos Boozer,

Kidd = best lower tier usage PG in the sim.  Boards AND threes, along with low turnovers & high assists.  He's one of the best guards in the sim for helping win the possession war, and if you use his 09-10 season, that's 55% efg%.  Put him with a high volume scorer that's a monster at the free throw line, puts up some threes & gets some boards and you've got the makings of a dominant back court.  Add in a paint scoring, high efg% board-lord as a compliment... That's why I did what I did.  Bad news is that I won't get to put any of the other pieces around them for a while still, so the trade could back fire.  The good news is... I don't care.


18) empdenied - Dwyane Wade, Swen Nater, Troy Murphy,

Wade is right there with Magic & Lebron as a deadly PG in the sim right now.  You literally need nobody else higher than bottom tier usage to get over the penalty, and so far, you've surrounded him perfectly.  Boards (Nater) & more Boards (Murphy) with high efg% 3pt bomber (Murphy again).  You got great value with Murphy, even if he is light on offensive boards.  I really, really like this team...


19) jayharvill - Kevin Garnett, Nate Archibald, Patrick Ewing,

...And I really don't like this one.  Never been a Garnett fan in the sim (though his 07-08 season has been intriguing me lately) and I think you reached for Tiny.  I actually like Ewing (one or two seasons, anyway), but not when you already have KG & Tiny.  You need some specialists, and you need them soon.


20) chris_snid - John Stockton, Tracy McGrady, Marques Johnson,

Nice back court.  McGrady was actually who I wanted with Kidd.  After Jordan (& Lebron, though I think of him more as a PG), he's probably the best SG in the sim.  He gives you everything you should want in a SG for this sim... threes, FTAs, rebounds, good assists, and incredibly low tov%.  Hey he even has 65 defense!  Put him with Stockton and wow...  Marques is a nice rebounding SF, something that isn't easy to find (that gives you anything else, anyway).  I dig this squad thus far.
3/27/2011 9:16 PM
Posted by tricky24 on 3/27/2011 9:09:00 PM (view original):
u do know that one of those guys u listed hasn't been taken yet right?
they have all been taken.
3/27/2011 9:17 PM
Posted by tricky24 on 3/27/2011 9:09:00 PM (view original):
u do know that one of those guys u listed hasn't been taken yet right?
unless he edited it, then all of them have been taken...

"I'm second guessing my 2nd and 3rd round picks at this point. Took Walton over Duncan based basically on defensive rebounding. But Chris Paul and Duncan would have been a nice inside/outside offensive combo. My third round pick at that point would have been Brent Barry or Troy Murphy. I got seduced by seeing Dr. J. at pick number 59 and couldn't resist since I needed more offensive fire power after taking Walton in the 2nd round.

Now I'm trying to figure out how to fill out the roster and am not even sure of what position I need to take in round 4. "
3/27/2011 9:19 PM
Posted by ashamael on 3/27/2011 7:59:00 PM (view original):
I'll agree with all of that... except maybe he's planning on playing Barry at PG... if that's the case, then he has a pretty decent rebounding point guard with great efg%.  He's also a high-volume bomber with low usage, which works perfectly when you have Jesus & the Dream already on the team.  Also, the cumulative ast% works out pretty nicely without having to use a more traditional PG.  Whereas Murphy would have given a relatively low offensive rebounder at either the 4 or 5, something he probably couldn't afford to do with the Dream already there.  So, if he has a plan to get some cheap boards later and play Barry at the point, then yeah, Barry was probably the right pick in that particular scenario.  If he's planning on playing him or Allen at SF, then I think it was the wrong move.  So, in this case, I would need to see the 4th pick before I would call it a derail. 
I have about five guys that save my bacon that I am sure will be there for me....I feel pretty safe, and Allen is SG, Barry is PG.
3/27/2011 9:24 PM
When you said five guys I suddenly wanted a burger & fries.
3/27/2011 9:42 PM
with bacon
3/27/2011 9:44 PM
love the fries too
3/27/2011 9:51 PM
good job with the commentary, ash... i am going with the 3075 min lucas season, it's my favorite, i like the %'s and his dishes, though it's hard not using his 10 mil season.

going with a center next...but hate to pass on the 3 prime pg's still available, but this guy won't be around. happy uva wasn't here or he'd have taken him already.  
3/28/2011 10:37 AM
I'm flirting with the idea of trying to build a team without a lot/ any 3's...  Wanna see how it works in the sim...
3/28/2011 2:02 PM

do my eyes deceive me, or does emp have three, 30% dreb guys on his squad? good god, man!

sure ya got enough 3's, malone? allen, barry and rice. good god, man!

boards, sixernuggets? bellamy, thurmond, frazier, baylor. good god, man!
3/28/2011 8:14 PM (edited)
Posted by ashamael on 3/27/2011 7:59:00 PM (view original):
I'll agree with all of that... except maybe he's planning on playing Barry at PG... if that's the case, then he has a pretty decent rebounding point guard with great efg%.  He's also a high-volume bomber with low usage, which works perfectly when you have Jesus & the Dream already on the team.  Also, the cumulative ast% works out pretty nicely without having to use a more traditional PG.  Whereas Murphy would have given a relatively low offensive rebounder at either the 4 or 5, something he probably couldn't afford to do with the Dream already there.  So, if he has a plan to get some cheap boards later and play Barry at the point, then yeah, Barry was probably the right pick in that particular scenario.  If he's planning on playing him or Allen at SF, then I think it was the wrong move.  So, in this case, I would need to see the 4th pick before I would call it a derail. 
So did I derail it?
3/28/2011 8:14 PM
by my lights you are in trouble with asg%

but you got a lot of treys and the sim does love them treys
3/28/2011 8:39 PM (edited)
Posted by malone9975 on 3/28/2011 8:14:00 PM (view original):
Posted by ashamael on 3/27/2011 7:59:00 PM (view original):
I'll agree with all of that... except maybe he's planning on playing Barry at PG... if that's the case, then he has a pretty decent rebounding point guard with great efg%.  He's also a high-volume bomber with low usage, which works perfectly when you have Jesus & the Dream already on the team.  Also, the cumulative ast% works out pretty nicely without having to use a more traditional PG.  Whereas Murphy would have given a relatively low offensive rebounder at either the 4 or 5, something he probably couldn't afford to do with the Dream already there.  So, if he has a plan to get some cheap boards later and play Barry at the point, then yeah, Barry was probably the right pick in that particular scenario.  If he's planning on playing him or Allen at SF, then I think it was the wrong move.  So, in this case, I would need to see the 4th pick before I would call it a derail. 
So did I derail it?
Chandler was a great pick.
Rice, unless you're doing some platoon thing, I dislike.  Love Rice but not when you already have Allen & Barry.  None of them will be board heavy enough in this league to play the 3 (IMO).
But when you make as many threes as you will be making, you'll win many games you're not "supposed" to win.
3/28/2011 11:07 PM
I have a plan for the assist issue and I am working on a plan were Barry, Allen, and Rice do not play much together...however I am sure that I will get screwed by wis on that.
3/29/2011 1:44 AM
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