I'm not crazy.  Here's some more detailed stats:

I checked all 65 Mets games this season, and found all the outfield assists for both teams.  Came out to 18 OF assists by both teams in 65 games, or 0.14 Assists/team/game, which comes out to around 23/team/year, which is in the range we mentioned earlier in the thread.

I checked all 124 HBD games my team has played this year, and found only my team's outfield assists.  Came out to 17 OF assists in 124 games, or 0.14 A/T/G, so the HBD rate and the RL rate seem to be well matched.


Here's how the OF assists break down:

Stretching a double: RL 5, HBD 0
Stretching a triple: RL 4, HBD 1
Out at 3B from 1B on a single: RL 2, HBD 5
Didn't get back on a fly ball out: RL 2, HBD 0
Other weird plays: RL 2, HBD 0
Out at home: RL 3, HBD 10


Now, we can't expect the programmers to program unlimited stuff in there.  So yesterday when Pagan forgot to retouch 2nd base on his way back to 1st and the CF got an assist, you wouldn't expect to see that in HBD.  The numbers aren't going to line up exactly, of course.  But 9/18 RL assists came on players trying to stretch, where only 1/17 HBD assists came that way.  And 10/17 times runners were gunned down at the plate in HBD, as opposed to 3/18 in RL.

The numbers are good for total assists.  Where they come is not. 

Maybe it's not worth fixing.  It's still my pet peeve, and I'm not crazy for thinking so.

And yes, I can't do math.  How did I get 10+5+1 = 17?  There were only 16 HBD assists.  But the assist numbers are still in MLB range.

I disagree.  You are crazy for checking the game by game PBP for 124 games.  I don't think is possible to do that in less than 90 minutes or so.

You select your OF's one at a time, click Game Log, Fielding, and find games they had assists in.  Took about 15 minutes.

And the MLB.com boxscores have OF assists under fielding, So again, you only find the games that have OF assists.

Ok, I missed this part "found only my team's outfield assists".   That makes sense.

Posted by rocketcy on 6/13/2011 11:21:00 AM (view original):
Interesting.  I thought about pitcher's temper, but didn't find a correlation and never considered batter's temper.  The same teams seem to be somewhat bunched together from year to year for pitcher HBP...I guess that means they just have another team in their division, i.e. that they play more frequently, that's loaded w/ angry young men. 

Don't forget, you don't play your division mates anymore frequently in HBD than you do the other 12 same-league teams.

Maybe this was answered by someone else since I did not read the entire thread.

3/24/2008 1:38 AM	plague
I have a question about coaches. I took over a team with a poor major league pitching and bullpen coach. It seems to me that pitchers are recovering slow on the team, I always assumed, or was led to believe that coaches are mainly for player improvement. This leads me to a few questions. Do coaches factor during gameplay? For example does a poor pitching coach play a factor in pitchers recovering slowly from game to game, or does a poor pitching coach factor into pitchers ERA on average being higher that season compared to a better pitching coach?
3/24/2008 4:51 PM	Customer Support
James, Coaches play no role in player's recovering fatigue that is solely based on the player's ratings. Coaches also do not play a role in player performance, that is also strictly ratings.

Coaches play no role in player performance?  That can't be right.

Because they affect player development. Coaches do not affect whether a guy gets thrown out on a particular play, or whether he gets a hit in a particular at bat. But they do affect how good (or bad) a base-runner a player becomes or how good/bad a hitter he becomes.

Posted by mfahie on 6/12/2011 7:30:00 PM (view original):
Screw you todd, that's not at all what I said.  I even mentioned it happening equally to my opponents.

And, just to be clear MT, "average" aggressiveness on the basepaths should equal many more runners out at the plate than in RL? That doesn't seem like the normal definition of "average".

Oh and wow, you found something that happened once 6 years ago!  That totally disproves my point.

I found one example from six years ago in 30 seconds of searching. I wasn't trying to disprove your point that the engine could be creating more runners thrown out than it should, just noting that it happens.

Posted by joshkvt on 6/14/2011 10:57:00 PM (view original):
Because they affect player development. Coaches do not affect whether a guy gets thrown out on a particular play, or whether he gets a hit in a particular at bat. But they do affect how good (or bad) a base-runner a player becomes or how good/bad a hitter he becomes.

So if that is the case, why spend $2 million on a 90+ rated hitting coach at the BL level when 90% of your BL players are fully developed?

Good question.   You'll find that some owners don't do that.

Posted by keithjs on 6/15/2011 9:34:00 AM (view original):

Posted by joshkvt on 6/14/2011 10:57:00 PM (view original):
Because they affect player development. Coaches do not affect whether a guy gets thrown out on a particular play, or whether he gets a hit in a particular at bat. But they do affect how good (or bad) a base-runner a player becomes or how good/bad a hitter he becomes.

So if that is the case, why spend $2 million on a 90+ rated hitting coach at the BL level when 90% of your BL players are fully developed?

Congratulations, you have ascended to a higher plane of existance, that in which you don't waste money on a marginally useful position!

This is like finding out that there is no Santa Claus...

This is the same question as "Why are there so many injuries?" You can always find something to support your argument with a small sample size. You would have to take the league as a whole, and even then over a number of seasons, to make a definitive statement on whether there are too many injuries or too many runners being thrown out at home. All else is just perception.