the pitcher projects much higher than what you are saying..

' unless the sp projects to something like 85+ cont 80/80+ splits and at least 3 good pitches. plus good velocity and gbfb and you cant pass up a guy like that"

hes an absolute stud, but catchers are so rare...because the simulator generates so many elite (CF,SS,C,) and so many Ps...so obviously the Pitchers arent divided by 3. while the CF SS C are...

and very good DU...could be a real workhorse..

Posted by stevehoggett on 12/23/2011 1:02:00 AM (view original):
the pitcher projects much higher than what you are saying..

' unless the sp projects to something like 85+ cont 80/80+ splits and at least 3 good pitches. plus good velocity and gbfb and you cant pass up a guy like that"

hes an absolute stud, but catchers are so rare...because the simulator generates so many elite (CF,SS,C,) and so many Ps...so obviously the Pitchers arent divided by 3. while the CF SS C are...

and very good DU...could be a real workhorse..

It sounds to me like you have already decided on the pitcher.

yes, but only because with 14m scouting you have to assume some error, the pitcher leaves more room for error, if the catchers defensive abilities are the ones to drop then he's no better than most other teams top catcher...its a risk/reward thing.

Ill post the results once they both sign...of course i only have 14mil adv scouting as well ;)

14m for IFA is not as bad as you think. They dont fluctuate that much.

Any if he is much better than what I said. You cant pass on him. Cause id kill for what I posted. And you can find catchers that can hit alot easier than a stud SP. Now not all those catchers have high DUR and high PC but you can find them with decent DUR and PC.

14m is pretty bad in my opinion...I know fromthe last timewhen  I had 14m adv scout in the first season then upped it to 18m, I regretted a few trades the next season, thats why Im always so hesitant to trade prospects in my first season with a team.

Posted by topoftheworl on 12/23/2011 12:44:00 AM (view original):

Posted by stevehoggett on 12/23/2011 12:34:00 AM (view original):
The catcher is a stud, no doubt...right now my current future catcher will probably hit 280 with 10 HRs, but a PC of near 90, while my future starting staff although improving is still relatively thin. and mostly number 2-3 types..My best guess on the catcher, and Im doing this looking at his current ratings vs projected ratings for various categories and the difference between the two..I actually think the catcher might gain a PC or 2 in projection.

the lower health scares me a bit too especially if hes going to play 125+ games. One of my only competitors just raised his prospect payroll up 3mil, so theres no doubt hes chasing one of them as well.

Two other things to consider:

1.  Its always easier to trade pitchers than catchers if you think you may want to move him for ML talent later.

2.  Hitters have much less variability in their year-to-year stats.

There, now I have talked out of both sides of my mouth.

I didn't know Mitt Romney played HBD.

Posted by stevehoggett on 12/23/2011 5:45:00 AM (view original):
14m is pretty bad in my opinion...I know fromthe last timewhen  I had 14m adv scout in the first season then upped it to 18m, I regretted a few trades the next season, thats why Im always so hesitant to trade prospects in my first season with a team.

14m ADV scouting yeah not the best, but 14m IFA isnt. I thought you were referring to your IFA budget. Adv Scouting doesnt matter until he SIGNS. And when it comes to IFA the 14m IFA has never hurt me.

I have 14mil in all my scouting as its my first year with the team. Next year they will all be at 18, including IFA.

UPDATE:

I got the pitcher 27mil +327k a year. The catcher still hasn't signed.

The projections for the pitcher are :18 years old, righty

38 DUR
88 health
100 makeup

64 stam
91 con
L/R  82,99
89 V, 45 GB (which is obviously wrong since he has a higher current GB-never seen that before)
pitches 88,76,47,58,51

He arrived just in time, I might even be able to get him a spring training boost.

Thanks everyone, and MikeT

I'd like to ask a question on the other end of the spectrum.  Are there ever any diamonds in the rough for the cheap (ex: $150K or less) IFA or 99.9% of the time do they tend to just fill out A ball rosters?

95% are filler. Some are absolute studs, some career minor leaguers . It'd be hard pressed to find a ML quality IFA for less than 500k- 750k. The best have gone for 20 mil plus. You could get lucky and happen to be the only owner who happens to see a quality player; we all don't see the same prospects just based on the amount budgeted .

The diamonds in the rough won't go for $150k or less, but you can find some useful major leaguers for 2.0 mil and under.  Some IFAs do become Diamonds in the Rough later on, getting a ratings bump, but aside from that, for under 2.0 mil you can focus on some future Setup/B guys, perhaps a defensive SS type or Defensive or low durability catcher.  All can provide value to a squad down the road.  Some can also be "throw ins" in future trades to help push a deal over the top.

He has a weird set of numbers, but this $170k IFA has been useful:

http://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=3097943



But over 10 seasons, he's the only one that I have seen that has been similarly useful.