Posted by PennQuaker on 2/19/2020 9:24:00 AM (view original):

Posted by grizzly_one on 2/18/2020 7:13:00 PM (view original):
This is kind of fun. I agree Progs are a completely different animal. I just couldn't resist Ozo's juicy pitch right in my wheelhouse.

Schwartz and Rbow have both said one cannot compete for the title of GOAT having never won the WIS Championship tourney. And as one who has never played in that I Agree.

I will say way way back in the day, at least 2 full redesigns ago. With my old school Prime Time "Fatigue Strategy" team. I was unstoppable.

Alas, my days of glory. Long since past and forgotten. But how I remember announcing "It's Showtime" shortly after the all-star-break and then blowing through the second half and playoffs.

Sigh, I could'a been a contender...

I'm not sure I agree about the WIS Championship. When I had more time, I used to compete and came in 2nd once. But, in the past that tournament had skewed toward lower salary cap leagues because of the incorrect perception that building a team to win was easier in higher cap leagues. Since I haven't played in the WIS Championship in a while, I can't say whether this is still true.

Higher cap leagues tend to negate the strategies like using +++ range with high average hitters because it's not hard to draft pitchers that can deal with those kinds of players. Contrary to what some in the sim may think, the 1885 Roger Connor season isn't the best season ever by a first baseman. ;)

Back in the day, I believe that I was the first owner to win at least one title at every salary cap that can be chosen directly in the theme league setup module. Some people like to play in open leagues or higher cap leagues that behave like open leagues (because there are no theme restrictions) and utilize the same +++ range strategy with higher average hitters in a park with negative HR factors and positive factors for singles/doubles/triples. That's their right. Whether that makes them great owners is a matter for debate.

Since I started running the WISC I have pulled the average salary cap up a bit.

In the 2019 tournament, 8 of the 12 leagues were 110M or higher. Would be great to see you back for the 2020 tournament in a few months.

I don't think the statement that you have to have won the WISC in order to be in the conversation for the GOAT is necessarily true, but it may be practically true -- there is something elegant about winning Round 2; six leagues where every other owner is dominant and the smallest errors will cost you is the best test the site has to offer.

I still don't understand how say, $90M is considered "low-cap," when actual winning teams tend to average around $7XM. That mean looks pretty "medium," to me.

Posted by ArlenWilliam on 2/22/2020 8:04:00 PM (view original):
I still don't understand how say, $90M is considered "low-cap," when actual winning teams tend to average around $7XM. That mean looks pretty "medium," to me.

Personally, I am tired of this argument. The salaries assigned to real teams in WIS have nothing to do with the structure of the game, which is a better point of reference for defining relative salary ranges.

Max Cap: 255
Min Cap: 40
Range: 255 - 40 = 215
Thirds: 215 / 3 = 71.67
33rd percentile: 71.67 + 40 = 111.67

So, really, Low should be defined as 110M or lower, Mid should be 110M - 180M, and High should be above 180M. Since there is a smaller set of players who have salaries high enough to use in very high cap leagues, we compress those ranges downward for the WISC to allow for both more variety in rosters and also more choices / complexity when building your rosters.

Completely agree. Especially with the salary inflation that resulted from the poorly designed experiment with dynamic pricing. 90M is definitely low cap for the purposes of WIS.

Ozo, looks like you're tired of that alright. Plenty of us pretty quickly got tired of Sim-League games being mostly all-star to ultra-super-duper-career-outlier-all-history-star. The range of salary figures is pretty arbitrary. The distribution of all the actual players and their seasons is the whole, real context. Why watch great players' really excellent seasons be whittled down (over and over, again) while average turns into worthless and prohibitive? Beats me. :-)

It's alright though. I still love ya and I mean it. Now, get outta here, you knuckleheads.

#AncientMemes

Posted by bronxcheer on 2/19/2020 10:23:00 AM (view original):
My alias, "fudgepacker" won a championship as the 1st openly gay owner

a alias is not openly anything

Posted by d_rock97 on 2/22/2020 2:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by PennQuaker on 2/19/2020 9:24:00 AM (view original):

Posted by grizzly_one on 2/18/2020 7:13:00 PM (view original):
This is kind of fun. I agree Progs are a completely different animal. I just couldn't resist Ozo's juicy pitch right in my wheelhouse.

Schwartz and Rbow have both said one cannot compete for the title of GOAT having never won the WIS Championship tourney. And as one who has never played in that I Agree.

I will say way way back in the day, at least 2 full redesigns ago. With my old school Prime Time "Fatigue Strategy" team. I was unstoppable.

Alas, my days of glory. Long since past and forgotten. But how I remember announcing "It's Showtime" shortly after the all-star-break and then blowing through the second half and playoffs.

Sigh, I could'a been a contender...

I'm not sure I agree about the WIS Championship. When I had more time, I used to compete and came in 2nd once. But, in the past that tournament had skewed toward lower salary cap leagues because of the incorrect perception that building a team to win was easier in higher cap leagues. Since I haven't played in the WIS Championship in a while, I can't say whether this is still true.

Higher cap leagues tend to negate the strategies like using +++ range with high average hitters because it's not hard to draft pitchers that can deal with those kinds of players. Contrary to what some in the sim may think, the 1885 Roger Connor season isn't the best season ever by a first baseman. ;)

Back in the day, I believe that I was the first owner to win at least one title at every salary cap that can be chosen directly in the theme league setup module. Some people like to play in open leagues or higher cap leagues that behave like open leagues (because there are no theme restrictions) and utilize the same +++ range strategy with higher average hitters in a park with negative HR factors and positive factors for singles/doubles/triples. That's their right. Whether that makes them great owners is a matter for debate.

So you’re saying that if I win with a bunch of D- range, 40 speed, no doubles only HRs guys like Mike Piazza, Mark McGwire, and Gary Sheffield, then I’ll be considered great!

It would be quite a feat.

Seriously, my point is simply that using a cookie cutter strategy that doesn't correlate well with how real-life baseball teams win doesn't necessarily make someone a great owner.

What he said...it's about half full..hurry up, Ladies and Germs...

Why did people diss this thread/topic and make it go twilight?

I think it's a fine idea, especially for those who play SLB in the way Ozo and a bunch of others choose to slice it. (There, just bumped it back to sunlight.)

I’ve won 1/4th of my total championships since the start of 2020. Wonder where I’ll finish if I stay not just addicted, but SUPER addicted to this site.

Although, I finally did exhaust all the beginner leagues...

Posted by ozomatli on 2/5/2020 5:59:00 PM (view original):
One thing I wish I could capture here is Leagues Played per Title Won. That, combined by winning percentage and weighted by leagues played, would be a great way to think about who the best of all time is. Unfortunately, I don't have access to data around # of leagues entered, only # of titles won

I'd be curious to see these numbers myself. As someone who took a bunch of time off and now only plays 1-2 leagues at a time that's the only list i'd have a shot of being on.

I'm not saying this to toot a horn, but I'd guess that many, maybe most of us, often don't put out teams just for the sake of the very best chance of winning a Series. But again, that's not to disparage tallying such a tally as this. (I've said before that the very best SLB owner ever likely quit before a year was over and went on to the next challenge. ;-)

Posted by ArlenWilliam on 2/29/2020 7:48:00 AM (view original):
I'm not saying this to toot a horn, but I'd guess that many, maybe most of us, often don't put out teams just for the sake of the very best chance of winning a Series. But again, that's not to disparage tallying such a tally as this. (I've said before that the very best SLB owner ever likely quit before a year was over and went on to the next challenge. ;-)

You mean you don't really think that Kyle Hendricks is better than Addie, Greg and Pedro? I'm shocked, AW.