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Quote: Originally posted by 98greenc5 on 12/21/2009I don't know if this has been mentioned in this thread or not, because I haven't been reading all the pagesHBD-wide, HR/G are down about 16% since the update ... the were very steady at 2.83 per game through 11/2 ... they have ticked down every week and right now they are at 2.366 per gameI find it very interesting that the rates have been ticking down every week, rather than as a big one-time hit ... I assume it is just evidence that people had caught on to the "value" of the empty-rating slugger, and it is taking people time to replace them with non-power alternatives ... and maybe the double-whammy with the tweaks to defensive penalties

swamp, sadly, is incapable of 'catching on' to things.

Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 12/25/2009

Quote: Originally posted by 98greenc5 on 12/21/2009
I don't know if this has been mentioned in this thread or not, because I haven't been reading all the pages

HBD-wide, HR/G are down about 16% since the update ... the were very steady at 2.83 per game through 11/2 ... they have ticked down every week and right now they are at 2.366 per game

I find it very interesting that the rates have been ticking down every week, rather than as a big one-time hit ... I assume it is just evidence that people had caught on to the "value" of the empty-rating slugger, and it is taking people time to replace them with non-power alternatives ... and maybe the double-whammy with the tweaks to defensive penalties

swamp, sadly, is incapable of 'catching on' to things

Man, you need a new hobby, for you to come here and mention me in a post that didnt mention me at all borders on obsessive behavior. I realize how interesting I am to read, but maybe you could start stalking Snake_p.

That said I would like you to comment on my point that unlike HD or GD, HBD is harder to change your team. You control people all the way back to their teens. You sing people to multi year contracts. You do not have everyone just graduate.

To make this radical a change in a game like HBD can be horrific to some teams!

Unlike GD or HD, in HBD you can make trades. You have a lot more options to change your team quickly than you do in the college dynasty games.

To make this radical a change in a game like HBD can be horrific to some teams!

- Typical lament of a loophole exploiter after a loophole is closed

From 618 AB's last year to 64 AB's this year! He must have ****** off the manager.

I still think this change is ridiculous in it's scope.

My team is down 28% in power this season based on my 6 returning starters.

Last Year - 273 HR in 2993 AB, HR avg 1 per 11 AB, Avg SLG 0.615

This Year - 128 HR in 1936 AB, HR avg 1 per 15.1AB, Avg SLG 0.531

Power of the players in question. 92, 90, 63, 83, 99, 99.

If power is going to be decreased, it should be a % across the board, not just affecting the top end players. To add steroids into the game ONLY to take them away from the top power guys is absurd.

It is an absurd solution, regardless of how good or bad swamphawks players are.

Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 12/25/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 12/25/2009

Quote: Originally posted by 98greenc5 on 12/21/2009

I don't know if this has been mentioned in this thread or not, because I haven't been reading all the pages

HBD-wide, HR/G are down about 16% since the update ... the were very steady at 2.83 per game through 11/2 ... they have ticked down every week and right now they are at 2.366 per game

I find it very interesting that the rates have been ticking down every week, rather than as a big one-time hit ... I assume it is just evidence that people had caught on to the "value" of the empty-rating slugger, and it is taking people time to replace them with non-power alternatives ... and maybe the double-whammy with the tweaks to defensive penalties

swamp, sadly, is incapable of 'catching on' to things.

Man, you need a new hobby, for you to come here and mention me in a post that didnt mention me at all borders on obsessive behavior. I realize how interesting I am to read, but maybe you could start stalking Snake_p.

That said I would like you to comment on my point that unlike HD or GD, HBD is harder to change your team. You control people all the way back to their teens. You sing people to multi year contracts. You do not have everyone just graduate.

To make this radical a change in a game like HBD can be horrific to some teams!

I like this idea about making a HBD college version with the players graduating in 4 years. In addition to not having to wait for a rollover, you dont get stuck with any contracts at all!!! Love it, you're a genius.

Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 12/25/2009
That said I would like you to comment on my point that unlike HD or GD, HBD is harder to change your team. You control people all the way back to their teens. You sing people to multi year contracts. You do not have everyone just graduate.

To make this radical a change in a game like HBD can be horrific to some teams!

Because FA and trades aren't a part of HBD right? Oh wait... You can indeed change your team via the aforementioned ways and in addition drafting more than one type of player (i.e. steroid freak with no batting eye, contact or vL/vR splits. You exploited a rating (power) that had way more impact that it should have and now that it's been altered and your guys are performing like MOST would expect, you come out complaining.

I can state with absolute certainty that if a change was made that benefited/improved their performance, you would never have started a thread to whine and complain

Quote: Originally posted by leppykahn on 12/26/2009I still think this change is ridiculous in it's scope. My team is down 28% in power this season based on my 6 returning starters. Last Year - 273 HR in 2993 AB, HR avg 1 per 11 AB, Avg SLG 0.615 This Year - 128 HR in 1936 AB, HR avg 1 per 15.1AB, Avg SLG 0.531Power of the players in question. 92, 90, 63, 83, 99, 99.If power is going to be decreased, it should be a % across the board, not just affecting the top end players. To add steroids into the game ONLY to take them away from the top power guys is absurd.

Your team has 128 HRs in 1936 ABs this season (1 HR per 15.1 ABs), with a slugging pct of .531 this season.

The best team in MLB last season had 244 HRs in 5660 ABs (1 HR per 23.1 ABs), with a team slugging pct of .478.

I'd say HBD needs to tone down the power numbers even more.

I would agree with toning things down even more. If part of their rationale for the old system was that it was based on Barry Bonds hitting 73/year (which he only did once) then they are obviously trying to generate realistic results.

In my world, 146 games played, there are 8 people with 40+ HRs and 3 more with 50+. I'm not really sure that those results reflect the current MLB trend. The current top 3 hit 70, 62 and 63 last season and are on track to come close to that again this season. So whatever they adjusted has only had a minor effect

All worlds aren't going to produce the same numbers under the same engine.

Cooperstown's leaders(WS playing now):

1	Pedro ParkLOU	154	551	93	158	20	1	48	107	63	7	77	0	0	.287	.365	.588	.953	1	11
2	Vic GuillenMC	162	625	92	188	22	5	45	111	62	5	70	15	12	.301	.367	.568	.935	1	13
3	Benji McKainCHR	157	568	91	153	21	6	44	102	68	12	117	25	13	.269	.358	.560	.918	0	10
4	Perry TurnerAUG	131	528	121	162	24	6	42	122	80	2	96	54	8	.307	.397	.614	1.011	0	10
5	Nick CoxCOL	141	569	96	155	24	8	37	110	53	3	83	23	9	.272	.337	.538	.875	0	9
6	Lyle WynnBOS	153	610	93	189	25	2	36	102	49	2	72	7	13	.310	.361	.534	.895	6	15
7	Paulie BenardNOR	161	640	121	208	29	4	36	108	95	6	75	0	0	.325	.417	.552	.969	1	14
8	Brent SteenstraNY1	126	488	91	148	27	1	36	110	75	5	66	0	1	.303	.399	.584	.983	0	17
9	Domingo GonzalezCOL	138	560	86	177	24	2	35	101	52	3	83	0	1	.316	.377	.554	.930	8	15
10	Aaron MercedesPAW	157	475	81	142	23	6	35	101	58	5	87	7	10	.299	.380	.594	.974	0	11

That looks pretty realistic to me.



Revised to include the NL:

1	Carson PersonDUR	157	629	99	156	16	1	54	150	50	2	184	0	1	.248	.304	.534	.838	0	8
2	Mario WashingtonMTY	154	611	95	173	16	1	49	113	43	7	99	0	1	.283	.335	.553	.889	6	10
3	Pedro ParkLOU	154	551	93	158	20	1	48	107	63	7	77	0	0	.287	.365	.588	.953	1	11
4	Cooper RuffinTRE	149	512	108	162	17	7	48	134	84	3	67	6	7	.316	.409	.658	1.067	0	13
5	Curtis BensonDUR	162	614	109	174	26	1	46	116	84	5	167	0	0	.283	.369	.554	.923	1	16
6	Vic GuillenMC	162	625	92	188	22	5	45	111	62	5	70	15	12	.301	.367	.568	.935	1	13
7	Benji McKainCHR	157	568	91	153	21	6	44	102	68	12	117	25	13	.269	.358	.560	.918	0	10
8	Jon RandallMEM	160	635	112	176	30	9	44	126	49	6	91	17	9	.277	.333	.561	.893	8	15
9	Perry TurnerAUG	131	528	121	162	24	6	42	122	80	2	96	54	8	.307	.397	.614	1.011	0	10
10	Bartolo RomanoTOL	127	451	81	133	13	2	42	104	58	3	53	0	0	.295	.377	.612	.989	0	9