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2/22/2008 1:14 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By bosoxbill on 2/22/2008
You don't score runs when you GIDP. You walk your worse-than-struckout *** back to the dugout and hope your pitcher can put up a zero and pick you up. Because there's a pretty good chance your useless *** ended the inning.
Minimum of 500 at bats in 2007:
Top 20 GDP averaged 90 k's a year.
Bottom 20 GDP averaged 105 k's a year.
Not that big of a difference considering the chance of a double play happening in any given normal double play possible situation is 1/8. So even if those extra 15 k's were all double play opportunites (man on first with 1 out, etc) ), which they wouldnt be obviously, that is only 2 more GIDP on average per year. I don't think that the gdp argument is significant.
2/22/2008 1:15 PM
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2/22/2008 1:17 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By a3morey on 2/22/2008
I don't thin
90 pages or so, now. We know.
2/22/2008 1:17 PM
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.600 > .400
No wonder you don't think .386 is that bad.
2/22/2008 1:17 PM
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keep ignoring statistics that I bring up because you know I am right and it might hurt the view of your gay little article.
2/22/2008 1:18 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By a3morey on 2/22/2008

Quote: Originally Posted By bosoxbill on 2/22/2008

You don't score runs when you GIDP. You walk your worse-than-struckout *** back to the dugout and hope your pitcher can put up a zero and pick you up. Because there's a pretty good chance your useless *** ended the inning.
Minimum of 500 at bats in 2007:
Top 20 GDP averaged 90 k's a year.
Bottom 20 GDP averaged 105 k's a year.
Not that big of a difference considering the chance of a double play happening in any given normal double play possible situation is 1/8. So even if those extra 15 k's were all double play opportunites (man on first with 1 out, etc) ), which they wouldnt be obviously, that is only 2 more GIDP on average per year. I don't think that the gdp argument is significant.
You cite a bunch of numbers - (1/8? Huh?)

Any reason you don't cite the hit run expectancy takes when you GIDP?

Or the fact that 1/3rd of "productive outs" CAN NOT EVER be "productive" (because they end the inning?)
2/22/2008 1:19 PM
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The sad thing is that this data must be SOMEWHERE.
Run expectancy of:
Runner on first, no outs
vs.
Runner on first, one out (after strikeout)
Runner on first, one out (after flyout, popout)
Runner on first, one out (after FC)
Runner on second, one out (after Sac or other play at first)
Runners on first and second, no outs (after error, which after all, is recorded as an out for the hitter)
Runners on second and third, no outs (after Jeter throws ball into stands)
No runners, two outs (after GIDP)
Along with the likelihood of each event.
2/22/2008 1:24 PM
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Man, I figured when I held my own against you with a crappy team you'd finally shut up, but I guess I was wrong. Here are the 3 rebuilds you're soon to be envious of:

GuinnessLAA Angels2/22/2008 2:17 PM3272-90 (.444)
MattinglyCH2 Style Pizza2/22/2008 2:10 PM3281-60 (.574)
HometownNAS Hillbillies2/22/2008 2:10 PM3257-34 (.626)


None of these were expected to compete until season 4, yet 2 of them are going to make the playoffs in season 3 and 1 has a great shot at a championship with more talent waiting in the minors. Honestly, both playoff teams have a good shot because they have excellent SP, and until they change the programming again, that wins championships in HBD (not that you'd know that).

So you keep yelling .386 as long as you can, and I'll sit back laughing at you knowing you're just jealous. I'm done with JB after this year. I've proven my point and you're going to continue to be a dick, so why pretend otherwise.



Back to your regularly scheduled mike bullshit thread.
2/22/2008 1:27 PM
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2/22/2008 1:29 PM
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What's the "best case" productive out scenario? Runners on first and second, nobody out? Going to runners on second and third, one out?
2/22/2008 1:31 PM
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2/22/2008 1:32 PM
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The alternative way of rebuilding a team without crapping up the entire league with a 30-132 record:
1reddevil19ML72-90.4444thNoNo
2reddevil19ML58-104.3584thNoNo
3mmachargML42-120.2594thNoNo
4MikeT23ML66-96.4073rdNoNo
5MikeT23ML76-86.4692ndNoNo
6MikeT23ML75-87.4632ndNoNo
7MikeT23ML16-11.593---
2/22/2008 1:32 PM
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Not sure why the Guinness team needed a "rebuild":
1hartjh14ML39-123.2414thNoNo
2hartjh14ML50-112.3094thNoNo
3hartjh14ML72-90.4443rdNoNo
2/22/2008 1:35 PM
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