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Quote: Originally Posted By corbs1019 on 1/16/2009
One item I don't like about this system is you get penalized for having consistent very good regular season, it penalizes you for this by way of getting last of the draft picks every year, so you never get really good rookies.

Plus I don't like the fact that you cannot make your FP someone you traded for, this makes you play you worst players for a season so you can get a FP worthy rookie in a draft

We all know you better off going into the playoffs at the 5,6,7 spot, because you still make the playoffs and get a half way decent draft pick as opposed to winning the conference and being last in the draft order, and having no advantage in the playoffs.

I know no system is perfect and I like this league so much but these are the items that I dislike, the regular season is basically meaningless as long as you make the playoffs, perhaps we could make the draft order based on the playoff results...This makes more sense to me

THE TEAM THAT WINS THE CUP GETS THE LAST DRAFT PICK..and so on, with warehousing a team that wins the cup and finished 5,6,or 7 gets a double bonus the cup plus a better draft pick order then the team that won the conference.

I'm a little confused about what's got you all riled up.

As for your feeling that the current system "penalizes" you for having consistent good seasons. I dunno.... I understand what you mean but isn't that kind like the real deal? Teams have great years but almost always, at some point, teams need to rebuild and struggle for a season or more. If a team is lucky enough to NOT have rebuilding years, isn't that a good thing? If a team is good enough and is managed in such a way that they qualify for the playoffs consistently... isnt that a good thing?

As for the FP thing. The reason why I came up with the rule about FP having to have played his entire career for your team was to avoid something I didnt want to see. Picture this, its nearing the trade deadline..... a team(Team A) which is playoff bound acquires a near perfectly skilled player in his 6th and final MLD season from a nonplayoff bound team(Team B)..... *IF* the FP rule in question did not exist, the playoffbound team(Team A) could turn around and designate that player as his new FP and get 3 more seasons of service out of him....... which would be great for Team A, they got a superstar for next to nothing. Team B would likely feel shafted as they made the deal thinking the player in question was going to retire........ and now they have to see a player they possibly "developed" for almost 6 full seasons go on to play 3 more seasons, with his highest skill level. I dunno, it just doesn't seem fair or right.

As for the draft. I thought we came to the conclusion a long time ago that with the exception of the occasional highly skilled players who pop up in the draft list, most of the crop were similar. Thats part of the reason the 1-6 draft bonus was created.... to make the 1st 6 draft picks a little more skilled, (in skill levels) than the rest of the pack.

Like you said, no system is perfect. There are bound to be flaws but based on what we have to work with, I'd say we have a pretty good setup.

1/16/2009 12:19 PM

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Yeah, I have not been in the position... but if I were to miss the playoffs two seasons in a row, at this point, I would absolutely tank the third season.

Good thing I have such understanding fans!

1/16/2009 12:23 PM

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Hey Damag sorry I was trying to edit my confession post and I hit the delete button and then hit yes (thought I was hitting the edit button) So for those of you who didn't see it ..here it is again

The only season I tried not to do my best and make the playoffs was the last season I didn't make the playoffs (season 11 I think) My team had gotten extremely old as it is again this year, and I decided that I would play all of my rooks and some of my usual bench players and sprinkle in some vets.

Once I saw my team was complete crap I decided who cares and let the team play out the season without trying....Every other season I did my best to make the playoffs ... but there were times when I was ranked 7 or 8th late in the season and I thought ...hmmmm maybe I should miss the playoffs and get my whole team to improve...I just think we need to take that temptation out of the game ...OR AT LEAST MINIMIZE it.

1/16/2009 12:24 PM

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Speaking to both you guys at once, I guess the major point is that the rules in this league have been arrived at because we're trying to make something we want out of what the sim has already been programmed to do. I'm not complaining about anything in here, just shooting the breeze.

1/16/2009 12:28 PM

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Quote: Originally Posted By corbs1019 on 1/16/2009I disagree with the Sydney Crosby bonus in that every year a team misses the playoffs they are getting( team wide bonuses) then on top of that you give them a mega star player....I just think if a team misses the playoffs 2 years in a row you are setting them up to say hey if I MISS one more year I get a player that only 5 or 6 teams get the chance to have....the only other way to get a player with that high a rating is to play him for 19 games a season for 6 or 7 seasons, or for the rest of the teams when you get a player of that level he has to retire or become your F

My thinking with the SC bonus was to put myself in the shoes of an owner whose team is tanking season after season. Have a look.

If my team was tanking, every season..... the game would likely start to lose its appeal and enjoyment. Once that happens, its only a matter of time before I'd wanna quit the league.

With the bonuses, it provides the GMs a sense of "maybe things will be better this year"........... and if they arn't..... 3 seasons of "failure" gives them the SC Bonus...which gives the GM a sense of "maybe this guy will be my franchise's saviour"

Bottomline is the way the MLD was setup was with the thinking and hope that all 24 teams would find themselves having both great seasons AND bad seasons at some point. Looking back at the results of the past 13 seasons, I feel the setup and format of the MLD has worked and done what I had set out to do from the beginning .....to a degree. Some GM/coaches have consistently had mostly successful seasons..... I get the feeling this "occurance" comes down to the skill and strategy of the GM/coach.

1/16/2009 12:39 PM

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Hey Damag thanks for the honesty ...

OKP as far as the FP trade rule I don't understand the thinking

If everyone knows that the 6 year vet that they trade can become an FP then (Team A)they can get something good back as opposed to a 3rd round pick(from Team B) in the following years draft (Thats about the going rate for a rent a player) with warehousing all teams (I have seen) have a few 100 rated players to pick from..the only teams this rule hurts is teams like mine that like to trade...A TEAM CAN ONLY HAVE ONE FP so I fail to see how they can exploit this...

No disrespect OKP but I don't think your argument holds water if a team knows in advance that a team can use any 6 year vet as a FP the next year, then why would they feel offended that the guy extended his career somewhere else.

In fact it would be another way for a team(Let's say Team A in your scenerio) to improve..If say they were bad (missed playoffs ) for only a year or two and those years were not consecutive maybe the players they drafted do not turn out the way they hoped..Then they can turn to Team B (who maybe has 4 or 5 FP type players and will not make the playoffs this season) and they will have to retire all but 1. So Team A turns to Team B and deals for a Veteren they can use in the playoffs and makeNOW MAKE A FP for the next 3 seasons..Team B can ask for a VeryGood young player in return.

Teams have at least 3 or 4 guys they could use as FP's so if they make the guy they trade for the FP they have to cut someone else who is at or close to the same level...

1/16/2009 12:45 PM

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OKP I am not complaing or angry (THATS WHAT I HATE ABOUT EMAIL) in fact as I have said this league is what keeps me coming back!! You know what I think about the amount of work you have done and A GREAT JOB at that.

I am just as Damag said shooting the breeze about the rules and asking some questions...I will have to tank a season within the next few seasons so I can get another FP canidate and if he doesn't work out then I have to have another bad season. I would like to try my best every season!

One thing about the Crosby bonus ...once those teams do get better they are the only ones with access to those players...why couldn't they be traded?

I don't think any manager with a SC bonus player or any FP quality player would just give him away to another team. In the Real NHL every player can be traded ...but you have to pay to get him...

As it is now the trades of six year players happen..at the stretch drive and usually they go for 3 round picks (doesn't seem equal quality) and no team has abused it...besides thats what the veto button is for

1/16/2009 12:55 PM

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As for the strategy where a team that decides to tank it to get higher draft picks and/or bonuses.....though obviously unsportsmanlike, that is entirely up the GM. its their team and any and all decisions regarding that team is entirely up to them.

Finish poorly and out of the playoffs on purpose, sure you get bonuses and higher draft pick....... but you lose out on the chance at the playoffs and the Cup. We all want the Cup.... but there is only 1 Cup....... thats why we all want it.

If you feel tanking it will help you have a bettter shot at the cup next season, so be it. It'd be too hard (to police and/or prevent and determine if GMs were in fact tanking on purpose or just having a rough season)

Another GM will/would likely be more than happy to take the playoff spot you are ******* away. Cuz that spot could bring them a Cup.

1/16/2009 1:19 PM

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Dont worry, I'm not arguing or upset. Everyone should know by now that I always write/type lengthy messages. :)

I'm just trying to explain why things were set up the way they are.

I do understand your issue with the FP stuff. It makes sense. But as with all things MLD related, I can't just use an "iron fist" and change the rules. I may be the creator/commish but this is every MLD GM's league. For any and all rule switches, we have to put it to a league-wide vote. If the majority feels we should make a tweak to the FP rule, we'll make a tweak to the FP rule.

Sound good?

1/16/2009 1:26 PM

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Hey OKP easy on the ******* AWAY a playoff spot I have only missed the playoffs 3 years and they were not consective...a lot less then a lot of teams . This will be my last post for today..sorry I guess maybe I am just frustrated with the sim, However I would like the FP rule voted on sometime in the future. I am all set with FP players for the next 9 seasons (at least I have a plan) but it would be nice to have options.

OKP you bring up some very good points as usual, here is my take on the FP rule, I do a lot of trading I have some players I traded for when they were very young 1 or 2 seasons old, and I have had them the majority of their carers ..why can't I use them as a FP, why must I have someone all 6 seasons and not 3, or 4 or 5. I have many players that fit that profile. I didn't trade for them thinking I wanted them to be my FP, but they have evolved and I would like to be able to consider them down the line.

All I am asking is you take a look at the rule and think about it, maybe all my trading put me into this spot, but trading and dealing are part of what a GM does (in the real world) .

Rammers did you trade a draft pick and then that player became somones FP (before he ever played a game for the Aliens)?

HOW about as long as you don't obtain the guy in his final year (if you have to put some restriction on it) I would be in favor of not restricting the FP at all.

1/16/2009 1:39 PM

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lol sorry bout that Corbs, no ill feelings were/are meant. That phrase (******* away) was the only wording I could think of to use......

and when I was using the word "you"... I didnt mean you as in you specifically Corbs......I meant it as in "you" with the "you" part meaning any GM who chooses to tank a season....(aka ******* away a season) :)

(looking over that message, I just noticed I didnt finish a line.... The line "It'd be too hard...." was supposed to be "it'd be too hard to police and/or prevent and determine if GMs were in fact tanking on purpose or just having a rough season.)

I will definitely put the FP issue to a league wide vote. I will sitemail everyone about the issue in the next few days. OR alternatively, I can carry out this vote here in the forum to gather a public survey so it can be publicly known how each GM feels about the FP rules. I've found though there tends to be a better response to RSVP sitemails rather than directions to come to these forums and make their opinion known. But I feel this issue should be a publicly discussed one.

IF the majority feel we should change the FP rules, we'll change them
IF the majority dont want to change the FP rules, we won't change anything.

Sound good?

1/16/2009 3:41 PM

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OKP final thought NO one player can rule this league...and it opens up possibilties for coaches/GM's

No need to do it right now perhaps in the off season if that works better.

1/16/2009 3:47 PM

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Thanks as always for listening obviously I had way too much free time today..this is more posts then I have posted in 13 seasons I think

1/16/2009 3:48 PM

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Thanks as always for listening obviously I had way too much free time today..this is more posts then I have posted in 13 seasons I think

1/16/2009 3:48 PM

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I'm always willing to listen to any and all ideas relating to our beloved MLD!

Gotta say, its nice to see and know that you guys are as passionate about this league as I am!! :)

I'll set up a seperate thread and do the survey thing regarding the FP rules within a week. No sense in putting it off until offseason cuz it'll take awhile before everyone chimes in with their vote on the issue.

That way, if the majority wants to change the FP rules, we can maybe "officially" put it into place this upcoming offseason..... or the next one.... (to give GMs sufficient time to prepare for it if necessary)

When the voting does start up and the votes start trickling in, everyone of us, including me, will need to respect and accept everyone elses opinions and decision on the matter.

1/16/2009 6:24 PM

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