Cash in trades - Do worlds discourage it? Topic

One's ML record should improve greatly after giving up prospects for ML talent also. I'm for cash trades even if I haven't done many of them. The value of cash and players may be debatable, but I think it has a measurable value so I'm ok with it being traded. I haven't read through the details of your trade, but if your trade was unfair, I would say that you should have given up more in prospects, or gotten less money.

I think budgeting still matters, acquiring cash in a trade should just mean that you have to give up better prospects to get the ML guy and the cash.
12/9/2009 8:29 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 12/09/2009
Seems crazy that no one on the "Cash in trades is good" side wants to discuss this.
You're kidding, right? Why would they? It is obvious. Throughout the thread it has successfully been supported. There hasn't been any cogent argument against it.

They are good winners and let it be. I would have thought you would, too. Your argument, "I don't know the value of a dollar," had to be one of the funniest things I've seen in the forums.
12/9/2009 8:30 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By tecwrg on 6/13/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By oriolemagic on 6/13/2009
Hear is another situation... I have 10 million in prospect cash and am bidding on a top IFA. That IFA has now reached 12 million, and I tapped out, but I have a aging SS who will be valuable to a team on a playoff run. I trade him for a ML filler and 5 million to enable me to continue bidding on the IFA.

What is wrong with this? I am taking a chance that I am goign to get the IFA, but I am getting value for my SS through the IFA.
If you want to spend $12m on an IFA, but have budgeted and already spent such that you only have $10m , then what you are proposing is a free way out of your poor budgeting. Plus you're allowing a contending team to "buy" a valuable player down the stretch by giving up "ML filler" and $5m in cash that they probably wouldn't be using (and thus losing) otherwise.

The main issue that most people have with cash in trades is the idea that the emphasis in trading should be "talent for talent", and not "talent for cash". Because if you find yourself short on cash at some point in the season, odds are you (a) either budgeted poorly to begin with or (b) spent your budget unwisely. Either way, it's all on you and all you're doing is looking for a bailout from somebody else to fix YOUR problem that YOU created.



What about people like myself who pick up a team with many many long bad contracts for players who arent even worth the money?

Would me trading for a great player plus some of those poor players with bad contracts for someone who is ok with a good contract be wrong?

Reason I ask is because in essence I am just getting cash from the other team. They are helping me free up room to bid on prospects and International prospects...
12/10/2009 6:06 AM
Quote: Originally Posted By gman981981 on 12/09/2009One's ML record should improve greatly after giving up prospects for ML talent also. I'm for cash trades even if I haven't done many of them. The value of cash and players may be debatable, but I think it has a measurable value so I'm ok with it being traded. I haven't read through the details of your trade, but if your trade was unfair, I would say that you should have given up more in prospects, or gotten less money.

I think budgeting still matters, acquiring cash in a trade should just mean that you have to give up better prospects to get the ML guy and the cash


You should probably read up on the details.

I turned my team from a maybe WC team into a division winner by having someone else pay for 3 of my players. Yes, I gave up some prospects but, by and large, the entire world was saying I had nothing of value in my system(I disagree but whatever) and wouldn't trade with me. So, if you believe I had nothing of value to deal, I got three free players.

It's a great way to build/replenish a team.
12/10/2009 7:13 AM
OK...well then the way I see it then, the problem isn't that you received cash but that you didn't give up enough to get it. If the guy you traded with wasn't going to get anything better from anyone else, and he could only trade with you if cash was included, then I don't really see the issue with it. Maybe you improved more than you figured you could, but if he got all he could then I'd say its ok.
12/10/2009 9:13 AM
Quote: Originally Posted By hartjh14 on 11/14/2009I just wanted to dump the last two years of the contract, so while the prospects weren't great, they were okay and worth losing the contract for a team that can't win


The reason I got the SP. Without the cash, I couldn't do the deal.
12/10/2009 9:20 AM
Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 12/10/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By gman981981 on 12/09/2009
One's ML record should improve greatly after giving up prospects for ML talent also. I'm for cash trades even if I haven't done many of them. The value of cash and players may be debatable, but I think it has a measurable value so I'm ok with it being traded. I haven't read through the details of your trade, but if your trade was unfair, I would say that you should have given up more in prospects, or gotten less money.

I think budgeting still matters, acquiring cash in a trade should just mean that you have to give up better prospects to get the ML guy and the cash.



You should probably read up on the details.

I turned my team from a maybe WC team into a division winner by having someone else pay for 3 of my players. Yes, I gave up some prospects but, by and large, the entire world was saying I had nothing of value in my system(I disagree but whatever) and wouldn't trade with me. So, if you believe I had nothing of value to deal, I got three free players.

It's a great way to build/replenish a team.
Just playing devil's advocate here Mike. I think what the pro-cash advocates would say here is this: forget everyone else in the World's opinion of your prospects. From your own admitted perspective, you gave up prospects of some value to get the ML players + cash. From your own admitted perspective, you sacrificed pieces of your team's future to improve its present, which is what we do whenever we trade prospects for players.



The fact that the other players in your World were saying your prospects were of no value and then didn't veto any of these deals would seem to be the odd part of all of this. The pro-cash advocates would probably say that either:

A) You really did have prospects of value (just as you thought!), and upon closer inpection they changed their opinion of your prospects and hence didn't veto.

B) Your prospects were in fact poor, these were bad trades, and many of the World's owners were asleep at the veto switch.

C) The other owners in your World under-valued the veteran players you were getting, and thus your advantage was not cash-in-trades but rather a better eye for useful talent. Or

D) You gave up prospects that weren't great, got back players that weren't great, and your turnaround has to do, either in large part or in whole, with something other than the guys you acquired. Perhaps strength of schedule, a hot prospect callup, an injury to a division rival's key player, simply a slump followed by a hot streak, or the latest sim update, which I'm guessing occurred sometime close to the middle of your season and perhaps played to your team's strengths. This is basically a variation on the "small sample size" argument.



Or I suppose (E) A combination of these factors.



I'm not sure what I think about it, but I'm pretty sure this is what the pro-cash advocates would say about your team and its turnaround.
12/10/2009 10:06 AM
Here's what I'd say:

I received three players that I would not have been able to acquire without the cash. Two of the three gave me some pretty good numbers(124 IP, .232 OAV, 1.10 WHIP and 19/.197/.096) as my SP2 and SuA. The third guy wasn't much of an upgrade. They addressed two weaknesses I had. They were the only additions I made.

I gave up what I thought were legit prospects. But, if I'm not returning for next season, it doesn't matter. It's not a scorched earth situation, the team will be good for another 2-4 seasons even on auto-pilot, but it could have been.
12/10/2009 10:37 AM
Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 12/10/2009
Here's what I'd say:

I received three players that I would not have been able to acquire without the cash. Two of the three gave me some pretty good numbers(124 IP, .232 OAV, 1.10 WHIP and 19/.197/.096) as my SP2 and SuA. The third guy wasn't much of an upgrade. They addressed two weaknesses I had. They were the only additions I made.

I gave up what I thought were legit prospects.But, if I'm not returning for next season, it doesn't matter. It's not a scorched earth situation, the team will be good for another 2-4 seasons even on auto-pilot, but it could have been.

Well, isn't that the crux of the situation then? And couldn't that be used as an argument against allowing prospect-for-vet trades of all types, cash or no cash?
12/10/2009 11:17 AM
No, not really. Because, without the cash inclusion, I couldn't trade prospects for veterans. I would have been forced to keep the farm system intact.
12/10/2009 11:53 AM


Money makes the world go 'round, boy!

Money is what keeps your pants square!

Money is what keeps Squidward in frilly soaps!

There's nothing more important in the world than money!
12/10/2009 12:11 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By oriolemagic on 6/13/2009
Hear is another situation... I have 10 million in prospect cash and am bidding on a top IFA. That IFA has now reached 12 million, and I tapped out, but I have a aging SS who will be valuable to a team on a playoff run. I trade him for a ML filler and 5 million to enable me to continue bidding on the IFA.

What is wrong with this? I am taking a chance that I am goign to get the IFA, but I am getting value for my SS through the IFA.
Nothing. You both improved your team or gave yourselves a chance to improve your team. That is the whole idea behind trading.
12/10/2009 3:40 PM
He's also tanking. But hey, why quibble with that...
12/10/2009 11:12 PM
Maybe so, maybe not, but that isn't in evidence in his post.
12/11/2009 12:25 AM
As a general rule, if you have to ask "What is wrong with this?", you already KNOW something is wrong, you're just hoping someone says "Nothing!"



Seriously, is no one going to defend cash in trades? I have now utilized this "strategy". I know how it can work from experience. I really want someone to defend it.

12/11/2009 8:47 AM
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