Posted by schwarze on 7/5/2020 5:41:00 PM (view original):
Has anybody else experienced this kind of swing in draft order? Here are my pick numbers by round.

7 - 11 - 10 - 12 - 8 - 4 - 6 - 13 - 15 - 17 - 22

jtpsops has the highest variance in draft order through 11 rounds. schwarze is 8th-highest.

tigerrott has picked bottom 3 every round...until this one. he's finally moved up to 17th. he has the lowest variance of any owner.

Owner	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10	11	STDEV
jtpsops	16	13	20	4	6	6	2	2	1	1	1	6.4
nobagel69	18	9	2	9	12	13	19	20	13	21	7	5.8
spoonfed	4	24	24	23	23	23	24	24	23	23	23	5.6
redcped	24	3	9	11	16	17	12	10	6	7	12	5.5
jrig21	3	14	13	20	21	22	13	15	20	14	20	5.3
ff09	21	8	4	7	10	18	15	8	7	9	6	5.1
nebhusker	13	6	12	19	15	11	16	17	8	5	3	5.0
schwarze	7	11	10	12	8	4	6	13	15	17	22	5.0
calhoop	2	20	5	6	7	5	3	1	2	2	5	5.0
jbussey	6	22	22	22	20	19	20	12	17	12	15	5.0
asdlfef	9	5	8	14	11	10	4	16	19	16	18	4.9
happyhours	5	19	17	13	5	7	18	14	10	15	13	4.8
dmoss	8	16	7	5	4	3	9	7	12	10	19	4.7
steveizzy	1	21	14	10	9	8	10	6	11	11	8	4.7
footballmm11	19	1	6	3	3	9	5	4	4	4	4	4.6
reddtrain	17	4	1	2	2	2	7	3	5	6	10	4.5
nocomm999	23	18	18	18	18	16	11	18	18	8	9	4.4
pstuts73	15	12	11	17	17	14	8	9	16	20	21	4.0
moses_k	12	15	21	15	19	21	22	21	21	18	11	3.8
mllama54	11	17	19	21	22	20	21	23	24	24	24	3.7
thehuseman	14	2	3	1	1	1	1	5	3	3	2	3.6
hoopsrus	20	7	16	16	14	15	17	19	14	19	14	3.4
dlchow	10	10	15	8	13	12	14	11	9	13	16	2.4
tigerrott	22	23	23	24	24	24	23	22	22	22	17	1.9

You are calculating variance based on the pick. What if Instead you calculated the variance based on the movement (use positive sign for up and down)

jtpsops = 3, 7, 16, 2, 0, 4, 0, 1, 0, 0
schwarze = 4, 1, 2, 4, 4, 4, 2, 7, 2, 2, 5

EDIT
Actually, it probably doesn't matter. The "16" outlier in jtpsops' data overwhelms everything else.

Posted by footballmm11 on 7/5/2020 8:39:00 PM (view original):
Randy Ready was my backstop option at 2B, but then nebhusker took him the pick right after me last round so I sweated this one out the entire round...

2B Davey Johnson - 1973 ATL - $5,714,324

Because I took Sandberg so early, I stopped paying close attention to 2B on the board. But it really surprises me he lasted this long in spite of his errors. It just highlights, however, the intriguing way each of us winds up with a totally different pool of available players as this progresses. Between positions, years, and teams, we're all only looking at maybe half the player pool by now ... but for each of us it's a different half.

I just have to tip my cap to a very well designed theme here, and it's quite a fun puzzle. Well done, commish!

Agreed. In fact, if we did this same draft over, even drafted in the same order. All it would take is one person taking a different player, and the domino effect would result in most of us having much different rosters.

Posted by schwarze on 7/5/2020 9:04:00 PM (view original):
You are calculating variance based on the pick. What if Instead you calculated the variance based on the movement (use positive sign for up and down)

jtpsops = 3, 7, 16, 2, 0, 4, 0, 1, 0, 0
schwarze = 4, 1, 2, 4, 4, 4, 2, 7, 2, 2, 5

EDIT
Actually, it probably doesn't matter. The "16" outlier in jtpsops' data overwhelms everything else.

yeah i tried that as well. i'm sure there are ways to account for it depending on exactly what you wanted.

Posted by redcped on 7/5/2020 9:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by footballmm11 on 7/5/2020 8:39:00 PM (view original):
Randy Ready was my backstop option at 2B, but then nebhusker took him the pick right after me last round so I sweated this one out the entire round...

2B Davey Johnson - 1973 ATL - $5,714,324

Because I took Sandberg so early, I stopped paying close attention to 2B on the board. But it really surprises me he lasted this long in spite of his errors. It just highlights, however, the intriguing way each of us winds up with a totally different pool of available players as this progresses. Between positions, years, and teams, we're all only looking at maybe half the player pool by now ... but for each of us it's a different half.

I just have to tip my cap to a very well designed theme here, and it's quite a fun puzzle. Well done, commish!

I started a cool NFL Playoff Fantasy Football draft a few years ago that was the genesis for this them: In that one you draft 12 players--one from each playoff team and one from each "position" (QB, K, DEF, and then 9 RB/WR/TE), though the last 2-3 guys from each team are basically worthless. It becomes a very interesting puzzle as you have all the same scarcity aspects and domino effects we see here but you have some other quirks like you want your high scorer on a team that makes the super bowl, you want your top scorers on opposite sides of the bracket, etc. Highly recommend if anyone here plays fantasy football.

Also thanks to schwarze for helping me iron out some of the edges on the idea and implementation to WIS. Glad everyone is enjoying, it's been a really fun one so far.

can I take a couple mulligans?

I want to draft again. By far my favorite part. I would definitely change one of my early picks that would have completely changed my team. A bad early decision is quite costly.

Posted by nobagel69 on 7/5/2020 9:47:00 PM (view original):
I want to draft again. By far my favorite part. I would definitely change one of my early picks that would have completely changed my team. A bad early decision is quite costly.

I plan to do another version of this pretty soon, as long as there's enough interest, which it seems like there will be.

Count me in.

Posted by footballmm11 on 7/5/2020 9:52:00 PM (view original):

Posted by nobagel69 on 7/5/2020 9:47:00 PM (view original):
I want to draft again. By far my favorite part. I would definitely change one of my early picks that would have completely changed my team. A bad early decision is quite costly.

I plan to do another version of this pretty soon, as long as there's enough interest, which it seems like there will be.

I'm in.

A deadball version could be fun

Posted by nobagel69 on 7/5/2020 9:47:00 PM (view original):
I want to draft again. By far my favorite part. I would definitely change one of my early picks that would have completely changed my team. A bad early decision is quite costly.

agreed.... I'm in for whatever form this takes next time around

definitely in.