Anyone else feel like we've already seen the extent of HD programming improvements for 2020?

Posted by indiansrck27 on 1/3/2020 2:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 1/3/2020 12:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dillon_b12 on 1/3/2020 11:03:00 AM (view original):
Does that mean you lose your long-time coach preference? If so, ouch!

Also, do you get new recruiting funds as a "new" coach?

Great question about the new funds.

My understanding is that if someone else applied for the job and you got it back you WOULD get the recruiting funds for the 'new job'. At least that's how it used to work. I remember awhile back th0nlyis sending in a ticket to Seble about how he got the extra cash and it's a bug that needed to be fixed. Seble either didn't understand what was happening or he believed that it should actually work that way. Which is obviously very stupid.

So yea this is basically spot on. I submitted the ticket, they said its not an issue, its by design and the situation I was in is just a rare case.

It's certainly not a "rare case" in Tark over the past year, but what do the customers know.

Thanks for trying Indians, and again, congrats on coming back!

Here is the exact response, I basically asked them to take the extra money away due to this bug:

Hi,

This isn't a bug, but by design, so that a new coach isn't handicapped by the previous coach overspending in the first recruiting session. It's really only an issue in the rare case that you've just gone through. The only thing we could really do is reset everything related to recruiting (including any built up interest) when a new coach comes aboard. Thanks.

Thanks for playing on WhatIfSports.

My guess is the windfall is only triggered when someone else applies for the job you're trying to return to.

But if you set up an alt account in D3, you can apply for the job under both accounts, triggering a "competition," however brief.

You'd think if the system is smart enough to realize you are not a new coach(and maintain your coach longevity preference), then it'd be smart enough to not give you more recruiting funds.

While it would have screwed you on this one, an easy fix to this would be to not allow a coach to apply for a job they just left.

Posted by indiansrck27 on 1/3/2020 3:10:00 PM (view original):
Here is the exact response, I basically asked them to take the extra money away due to this bug:

Hi,

This isn't a bug, but by design, so that a new coach isn't handicapped by the previous coach overspending in the first recruiting session. It's really only an issue in the rare case that you've just gone through. The only thing we could really do is reset everything related to recruiting (including any built up interest) when a new coach comes aboard. Thanks.

Thanks for playing on WhatIfSports.

Yup that's been the response for the past couple years which is ridiculous.

Doesn't seem impossible to program it to not give extra money if the coach doesn't change. Terrible design.

This seems like a tactic(read: cheating) best utilized by a team alone in a small conference. Build your prestige up, rinse and repeat with this to get recruits you have no business signing.

There's still the risk of having your job taken, but the risk is obviously much lower than a powerhouse program in a Power 5 conference.

Posted by kcsundevil on 1/3/2020 12:59:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 1/3/2020 12:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dillon_b12 on 1/3/2020 11:03:00 AM (view original):
Does that mean you lose your long-time coach preference? If so, ouch!

Also, do you get new recruiting funds as a "new" coach?

Great question about the new funds.

My understanding is that if someone else applied for the job and you got it back you WOULD get the recruiting funds for the 'new job'. At least that's how it used to work. I remember awhile back th0nlyis sending in a ticket to Seble about how he got the extra cash and it's a bug that needed to be fixed. Seble either didn't understand what was happening or he believed that it should actually work that way. Which is obviously very stupid.

Agreed. I know a small number of coaches routinely take advantage of this loophole, but seble has never cared much about cheating. Love WIS or leave it.

I'm not saying Indians had this intent. I'm happy he got his team back and I'm grateful he reported the loophole is still open.

ive seen this loophole in action too and it sounds like the way its described is right here - you get free 2nd session money with the only penalty being on guys you spent a lot on in session 1 (or possibly losing the job). it really bothers me for some reason. i mean, i am pretty much over it now, i guess, but when this came up it was like dude how the **** does seble not fix it?

i almost wanted to stay at uconn in tark just to exploit it. not to win but to push for change. i feel like some random d2 coach doing it over and over wouldn't provoke much outrage. but if someone at high d1 is doing it and winning titles, i feel like there would be some outrage and seble would feel forced to act. i had the resume to guarantee nobody could take my job, so it would be a risk-less move (which has the bonus of inherently making it more unpalatable, right??). i just stopped having the energy for solo coaching, so i had to move on. but if i ever get the energy back i may have to do it just to push the issue a bit.

Posted by kcsundevil on 1/3/2020 3:19:00 PM (view original):
My guess is the windfall is only triggered when someone else applies for the job you're trying to return to.

But if you set up an alt account in D3, you can apply for the job under both accounts, triggering a "competition," however brief.

i actually think this is wrong - i think its irrelevant if a 2nd coach applies. you just have to get the job back through jobs.

note: this is based on nothing except for the way you explain it making no sense to my programmer sensibilities.

Posted by indiansrck27 on 1/3/2020 3:10:00 PM (view original):
Here is the exact response, I basically asked them to take the extra money away due to this bug:

Hi,

This isn't a bug, but by design, so that a new coach isn't handicapped by the previous coach overspending in the first recruiting session. It's really only an issue in the rare case that you've just gone through. The only thing we could really do is reset everything related to recruiting (including any built up interest) when a new coach comes aboard. Thanks.

Thanks for playing on WhatIfSports.

to me, this demands a response that includes an example of a coach exploiting this over and over. i forget where that is, someone on here has to know right? i forget who showed me in the first place, but definitely someone knows...

anyway maybe seble just doesn't realize its possible, but saying 'only an issue in the rare case you've gone through' is pretty clearly refuted by it being intentionally exploited. seble should either issue a ruling that its not allowed, and allow the community to report (no consequence until the coach is warned by seble, i'd assume) or do something about it. doing nothing is a pretty garbage answer. but he may legitimately not be aware its being exploited like that??

Posted by gillispie1 on 1/3/2020 4:10:00 PM (view original):

Posted by kcsundevil on 1/3/2020 3:19:00 PM (view original):
My guess is the windfall is only triggered when someone else applies for the job you're trying to return to.

But if you set up an alt account in D3, you can apply for the job under both accounts, triggering a "competition," however brief.

i actually think this is wrong - i think its irrelevant if a 2nd coach applies. you just have to get the job back through jobs.

note: this is based on nothing except for the way you explain it making no sense to my programmer sensibilities.

No, it only works if someone else applies.

Posted by gillispie1 on 1/3/2020 4:14:00 PM (view original):

Posted by indiansrck27 on 1/3/2020 3:10:00 PM (view original):
Here is the exact response, I basically asked them to take the extra money away due to this bug:

Hi,

This isn't a bug, but by design, so that a new coach isn't handicapped by the previous coach overspending in the first recruiting session. It's really only an issue in the rare case that you've just gone through. The only thing we could really do is reset everything related to recruiting (including any built up interest) when a new coach comes aboard. Thanks.

Thanks for playing on WhatIfSports.

to me, this demands a response that includes an example of a coach exploiting this over and over. i forget where that is, someone on here has to know right? i forget who showed me in the first place, but definitely someone knows...

anyway maybe seble just doesn't realize its possible, but saying 'only an issue in the rare case you've gone through' is pretty clearly refuted by it being intentionally exploited. seble should either issue a ruling that its not allowed, and allow the community to report (no consequence until the coach is warned by seble, i'd assume) or do something about it. doing nothing is a pretty garbage answer. but he may legitimately not be aware its being exploited like that??

Honestly this is probably the most annoying thing about WIS and Seble. He's never given the impression that he cares much about fairplay and has left the door open to cheating or loophole abuse (if you wanna call it that). Its more work to make a fair game to play than to just say its "by design and rarely happens".

"Rare case". Yeah? Well, remember the Work Ethic loophole/bug. That was truly only abused by 1 person and it took everyone freaking the eff out for it to be fixed. So maybe you're right Gil. We need some people to overtly abuse this loophole so enough people get ****** and complain and then it will be done correctly. What a lazy **** poor excuse by Seble on this one. But he's probably been checked out for a long time and is just going through the motions to keep this afloat for a little longer

I do not volunteer to try this again next season, as the 16-17 hours I waited to find out if I got UNC back or not was way too stressful for my real life.

Just get people to start taking note of high prestige D1 coaches who repeatedly "forget to renew," then only reclaim their job after the first cycle has passed. It's an easy pattern to spot.

The system tells "forgetful" coaches whether anyone else has applied for their team, so they'll know when they have to jump back in. Seble is right, he designed it to be easily abused.

does it happen at high d1? i feel like that would move the needle...