Diagnostics for Leadoff Hitters II Topic

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What if it turns out that a GIDP does more than 8x the damage to your run expectancy?

You won't take the strikeout, if, say, GIDPs were 10x more harmful?
2/22/2008 4:12 PM
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a3morey - so what?
If teams don't actually score more runs when they strikeout less, what's the difference.
2/22/2008 4:15 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By bosoxbill on 2/22/2008

What if it turns out that a GIDP does more than 8x the damage to your run expectancy?

You won't take the strikeout, if, say, GIDPs were 10x more harmful?

find me that information.
2/22/2008 4:15 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By _nuke_ on 2/22/2008
a3morey - so what?
If teams don't actually score more runs when they strikeout less, what's the difference.
too many other factors to know for sure.
2/22/2008 4:16 PM
bosoxbill
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Why? So you can reject it?
I was intentionally asking a rhetorical question.
IF you found that out, WOULD it change your mind?
2/22/2008 4:17 PM
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yeah possibly. i have accepted some facts that dont enhance my point of view, unlike you.
im jsut sayign you guys are making out double plays to be the devil when there is a 12.5% chance that they will actually happen in any given double play situation.
2/22/2008 4:20 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By a3morey on 2/22/2008too many other factors to know for sure
No. We know for a fact that high OBP is the best way to score runs.

We know high slugging is the second best.

We know that batting average also correlates, though not as strongly as OBP or slugging.

And we know that how many strikeouts a team has makes no difference in the amount of runs they score.

2/22/2008 4:21 PM
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if its that simple nuke, then why hasnt all of major league baseball accepted it as so?
why do managers constantly say, "he needs to cut down on his strikeouts and make more contact" ?
2/22/2008 4:22 PM
bosoxbill
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There haven't BEEN any "facts" on the other side of this "debate."
Just mikey, pulling, one after another, individual situations (first and second! 14 Ks!) out of his ***, with no numbers or anything like facts.
Seriously, I think your 1/8 number is the first interesting number introduced by your "side."
And I pride myself on changing my worldview given new facts.
Do you think Mikey and his other cohorts do? Do you think they would answer as you have?
Or do you think he'd just quote his **** in bold some more? Put his fingers in his ears and think of his daddy?
2/22/2008 4:23 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By a3morey on 2/22/2008

if its that simple nuke, then why hasnt all of major league baseball accepted it as so?
Jesus, do you even PAY ATTENTION to baseball?

I doubt you can find a more conservative, resistant-to-change bunch of people.

It could be true, and proven, by a huge margin, and it wouldn't be put into practice across MLB for 50 years.

Because so many of them are like Mikey. Think they know it all because that's what their daddy's taught them. Can't learn anything new.
2/22/2008 4:24 PM
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that's beside the point. if something will help a team score more runs, mlb will embrace it.
and yes there is that one study, but I dont believe that tells the whole picture, im just trying to figure out how to find the rest of the picture.
everyone at some level is resistant to change.
2/22/2008 4:28 PM
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Except for one thing...
ies shouldn't play 2B
2/22/2008 4:29 PM
bosoxbill
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Quote: Originally Posted By a3morey on 2/22/2008

that's beside the point. if something will help a team score more runs, mlb will embrace it.
I want some of what you're smoking.
I've seen baseball managers all over MLB PRAISED for thinking that is KNOWN and PROVEN - by a large margin - to be backwards.
Haven't you?
2/22/2008 4:30 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By a3morey on 2/22/2008

if its that simple nuke, then why hasnt all of major league baseball accepted it as so?
why do managers constantly say, "he needs to cut down on his strikeouts and make more contact" ?
Because it's a relatively new idea and these things take time to work they're way into baseball.

For example, next time you're watching a game look at the state line the TV crew puts up when a batter steps into the box. 99 out of 100 times, in the batters first at bat, the box will contain three stats - BA, HR, RBI - even though just about everyone (even Mike) will admit that OBP is the single most important stat when it comes to judging a hitter. OBP isn't new. They've been putting it on the back of baseball cards for 20+ years now. Yet they leave it off the broadcast?
2/22/2008 4:32 PM
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statistics dont always tell the whole story. is shaq the best shooter in the nba since he consisently puts up 60% shooting season? obviously not
obp is partially a byproduct of how good a pitcher is. unfortunately there isnt a way to factor that in. stats tell alot of the story, but not all.
2/22/2008 4:33 PM
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