Changing coach hiring Topic

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Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 5/17/2010You can call it "simplifying" if you want.  But it's dumbing down the game because someone didn't get an 80 FI and he declared it unfair.   Coaches are like players.  Everybody wants the best one but, in order to make that happen, you have to pay for it.   Now there is an unlimited supply of great coaches.

The whole FI coach is another story, that actually warrants a declaration of whiners who cry unfair.

Coaches are not like players. Maybe this is just my opinion, but players step to the plate. Coaches, especially in the sport of baseball, warrant a lower level of strategy.
5/17/2010 2:38 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 5/17/2010
Hell, if they want to reduce the length of a HBD season, they should start with Spring Training. That is the biggest waste of 6 days known to man.
I thought that was the 6 days of the menstrual cycle.
5/17/2010 2:41 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By nfet on 5/17/2010
Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 5/17/2010
You can call it "simplifying" if you want. But it's dumbing down the game because someone didn't get an 80 FI and he declared it unfair. Coaches are like players. Everybody wants the best one but, in order to make that happen, you have to pay for it. Now there is an unlimited supply of great coaches.

The whole FI coach is another story, that actually warrants a declaration of whiners who cry unfair.

Coaches are not like players. Maybe this is just my opinion, but players step to the plate. Coaches, especially in the sport of baseball, warrant a lower level of strategy.


We assume this because we don't get awesome stats for coaches. If we KNEW that the 85 coach was head and shoulders better than the 75 coach, we'd really make an effort to get that 85 guy.

It seems to me that Dusty Baker gets a lot of criticism while Bobby Cox gets a lot of praise. Would you say they're similar?
5/17/2010 2:48 PM
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I'm bored by spring training too, but I do think there is some utility for breaking in newbies. Its a good time for them to learn how the site works, play with lineups, pitching staffs, manager settings, etc. They can ask questions at a time when people aren't trying to win. It probably saves some mistakes in the first 10 games of the season.
5/17/2010 2:52 PM
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5/17/2010 2:59 PM
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Good lord. How can you play a baseball sim and not know Dusty Baker/Bobby Cox?

But, yeah, I think they would be comparable to MVP/24th man on a BL team. Cox has handle some of the best pitching staff in baseball over the last 20 years while Baker seems to ruin a young arm every other weekend.

And, if you're having trouble with owner paying attention to trades, it's your worlds not HBD.
5/17/2010 3:02 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 5/17/2010Good lord.  How can you play a baseball sim and not know Dusty Baker/Bobby Cox?But, yeah, I think they would be comparable to MVP/24th man on a BL team.  Cox has handle some of the best pitching staff in baseball over the last 20 years while Baker seems to ruin a young arm every other weekend.And, if you're having trouble with owner paying attention to trades, it's your worlds not HBD. 

I have trouble believing the comparison between them and MVP/24th man worth. But, if that is the case, then there's the question of frequency. I'm sure not every coach would be as comparable.

I'd agree with your last statement too. But, maybe if you're in some of the better worlds, it's your worlds that are the exception, not HBD.
5/17/2010 3:10 PM
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Quote:   Cox has handle some of the best pitching staff in baseball over the last 20 years while Baker seems to ruin a young arm every other weekend. 

If this is the case, then budgeting on a system level seems warranted.
5/17/2010 3:17 PM
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Can you fill us in on more what's in the survey? It wasn't sent out to everyone for some reason.
5/17/2010 4:11 PM
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The main reason why it should be dumbed down (I also like the budget one number per level), is that coach hiring is the most overrated portion of the game. Its been pretty muchproven that there is little difference between a 75 and an 85. My current strategy is to wait until 2 cycles before they start signing and just give offers to the best guys that do not have offers already. I dont care who I get, I just want to fill my coaching spots and move on to free agency and Rule 5.

As to spring training, I think it is fine as is -- yes it is a boring 6 days, but I actually like the extra time to figure out my rosteres for each of my minor league levels...I have a week after my roster is set (with free agency and Rule 5 done) to get all my rosters filled...and if you have more than one team that rolls over near each other the extra few days to work on that can be useful (especially if you have a life outside of HBD).
5/17/2010 5:13 PM
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There is a certain level of tediousness in the coach hiring process that is very frustrating, but could be simplified if coaches were locked up in multiple year contracts, or alternatively, if they have a higher likelyhood of resigning through some "loyalty". I think that is the idea in one of the suggestions/options in their survey. It would also be beneficial if you could offer your own coaches whatever level you want them to coach at, before they choose to become coaching free agents. If you really care to improve on the coach you have, don't resign him and hope for the best in the free agent coach system.
5/17/2010 5:28 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By mitchrapp on 5/17/2010They have that already. During rehire.
I didn't see that anywhere.

Sure there were guys who were "wanting to stay with role change" or "with level change", but I'D like to have the option of offering my 1B coach who simply "wants to stay", the 3B job, or whatever.

Far as I could tell you could either check the box or not, and that was it.
5/17/2010 6:13 PM
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Because everyone is waiting for my response...

I picked two, with an addendum in the "how would I make it better"; make it more like FAs.

Multi year contracts. Ability to rehire into whatever level (as opposed to locking in to the level the coach wants).

No one complains about FAs. That much.

I also agree with the FI thing, in that it's unbalanced because it applies to all levels, not just ML, or AAA, or whatever. So, break it apart. You need to hire one at each level.
5/17/2010 6:56 PM
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Or none at all. It's been said before that very few, if any, BL teams have "Fielding Instuctors". They usually have another job to do.
5/17/2010 6:59 PM
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Sure. But, in my head, this game is trying to get players "better", and the keys seem to be hitting, pitching and fielding.

You have pitching coaches. You have hitting coaches. Thus, have fielding coaches.

You want to make it easier, get rid of bullpen coaches and the 1st and 3rd base coaches.
5/17/2010 7:03 PM
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