Minimum win rules Topic

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Posted by MikeT23 on 10/14/2010 8:23:00 AM (view original):
I think the problem with your theory, plague, is that you're assuming "prospects for vets" is a bad thing.     And you're acting as if one deal in 2-3 seasons actually proves something.

As a team that struggled in MG this season(65 wins with 5 left), I traded a vet(who wanted a 4 year deal at 36 y/o) for a prospect.   That, in itself, refutes your theory as the count is now 1-1 in the prospect/vet or vet/prospect debate.   And, for the record, you chose an arbitrary win number to determine who was on the "hot seat".  Why 63 and not 70?   280/4=70.    Those guys are in just as much trouble as the guy trying to avoid 125/2.
Yes, I would say it's not bad or good just different. I think it can make it harder for bottom dwellars to rebuild, how much harder is debatable, however as a owner if the rule is already in place when you join then you have no complaints as you know what you are getting into.

I did pick a arbitrary number. No matter what there has to be a arbitrary number. I figure the more in jeopardy a coach the more desperate he will be. Between the 3 worlds if you want to add in your trade its 8 to 1, which is still a fairly strong percentage.
10/14/2010 2:47 PM
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It's not really an arbitrary number in my mind.   Each season, before it ends and after rollover, I send a sitemail to each owner in jeopardy.   It has a number attached to it that falls within the 55/125/195/280 guidelines.  Sent to Coop owners a few days ago;

Subject:Coop win rule reminder
Message:To all of us on the hot seat:

mlhutch-64(2S)
rockindock-64(4S)
miket23-65(4S)
moose08-72(4S)
giles21-73(4S)
yoker70-62(2S)

New guys, you must win 55 in your first season.

Good luck to all
Mike


As you can see, there are no arbitrary numbers.   If you'd like, I'll show you the one sent last season if you want to check trades.

10/14/2010 2:59 PM
plague
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I believe you mike, I don't need to see the message you sent..The number you chose is still arbitrary. In choosing a number of wins to be in jeopardy will always be a arbitrary number. You did not have some mathematical formula that shows 70 is in jeopardy and not 71 or 72. You chose the formula by your opinion of what is in jeopardy. Just like I chose 63 to be in jeopardy.



10/14/2010 3:16 PM
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No, I think you're failing to understand the meaning of "arbitrary".     The win number for each season is not arbitrary.    It's based on the 55/125/195/280 formula.   Now that could be considered arbitrary(it is in a way but I spend a lot of time figuring it out based on previous seasons). 
10/14/2010 3:18 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 10/14/2010 3:18:00 PM (view original):
No, I think you're failing to understand the meaning of "arbitrary".     The win number for each season is not arbitrary.    It's based on the 55/125/195/280 formula.   Now that could be considered arbitrary(it is in a way but I spend a lot of time figuring it out based on previous seasons). 
That is what I am talking about. Your trying to say your opinion is more valuable because you came up with a formula that has no basis other than your opinion. I could do the same thing and say 63 in 1 season is a formula I put together and that is not arbitrary because I devised a formula.
10/14/2010 3:23 PM
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Jeez.  No.   The given next season requirement is not arbitrary.   We don't finish a season and I say "OK, tec, you won 62 last season but I don't think you put max effort into winning at the end.   Your win requirement for next season is 74."    I'd plug it into our ESTABLISHED MINIMUM WIN REQUIREMENT formula and tell him how many he has to win. 

Please tell me you understand what I'm saying.
 

10/14/2010 3:31 PM
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It does not matter. You are right that 65 or 68 or 70 can be considered in jeopardy, but not as much as 63. I went with the belief that the more wins you need to get in a individual season the more in jeopardy you will be, I don't think anyone can argue that reasoning. I wanted to choose a number that a owner would feel that he truly needs to make moves in order to keep his job. A owner who feels he must win 75 games will not feel the pressure of a owner who feels he must win 50 games. The question is where is that magic number, and that magic number can also vary among different owners, so what is the average is debatable.
10/14/2010 3:33 PM
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On the other hand, you're saying 63 is in jeopardy with absolutely backing.    If a guy won 100 in each of the last three seasons, his number would be 55.   Everyone can have a different number and it is not arbitrary at all.
10/14/2010 3:33 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 10/14/2010 3:31:00 PM (view original):

Jeez.  No.   The given next season requirement is not arbitrary.   We don't finish a season and I say "OK, tec, you won 62 last season but I don't think you put max effort into winning at the end.   Your win requirement for next season is 74."    I'd plug it into our ESTABLISHED MINIMUM WIN REQUIREMENT formula and tell him how many he has to win. 

Please tell me you understand what I'm saying.
 

I understand the number to get fired is not arbitrary. What is arbitrary is the number that you chose that you consider a owner to be in jeopardy,
10/14/2010 3:35 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 10/14/2010 3:33:00 PM (view original):
On the other hand, you're saying 63 is in jeopardy with absolutely backing.    If a guy won 100 in each of the last three seasons, his number would be 55.   Everyone can have a different number and it is not arbitrary at all.
Why is your number not arbitrary yet mine is arbitrary? Your formula is nothing more than your opinion proposed as a formula. Your formula has absolutely zero basis backing it. I can come up with a formula saying gravity does not exist, but it does not make it accurate or true.
10/14/2010 3:39 PM
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No.   The number I consider an owner to be in jeopardy is based off an ESTABLISHED MINIMUM WIN REQUIREMENT FORMULA.   Why are you incapable of understanding this?   
10/14/2010 3:43 PM
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Because my number is established.   I don't just pick a new one each season. 
10/14/2010 3:44 PM
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Can't you two just get a room?
10/14/2010 3:44 PM
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I am not picking a new one each season. I picked 63 and I am establishing that number I will use that number every season. Now how does my number differ from your number?.
10/14/2010 3:47 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 10/14/2010 3:43:00 PM (view original):
No.   The number I consider an owner to be in jeopardy is based off an ESTABLISHED MINIMUM WIN REQUIREMENT FORMULA.   Why are you incapable of understanding this?   
And what basis does that formula have besides your own opinion?  I am not talking about the minimum wins in order to be fired or not be fired, I am talking about the formula that you decide a owner is in jeopardy. Why is your formula accurate in picking X amount of wins and mine is inaccurate in picking X amount of wins. You can't answer that question and you know it, but go ahead and try.
10/14/2010 3:50 PM
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