Shorten the draft Topic

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Posted by MikeT23 on 11/15/2011 10:18:00 AM (view original):
Revisited.

As mentioned many times, a position player tryout camp eliminates the need to have a 25 round draft.   Shorten it to 5 or 10 rounds.   There are no Mike Piazzas waiting for us in the 19th round(nor should there be).   Now, with the tryout camp for position players, there's no need to sign any draftee that isn't a legit BL prospect.

Make it so.
Have you looked at the players yet? They are at least three notches below the quality of the pitchers. I'll sign a few pitchers for depth, but there's not one pos. player I'd sign .. ever. Not even if I screwed up the draft and took 25 pitchers. Only owners who don't give a damn about the minors will sign them, so if you shorten the draft it would just make it harder for those who do to staff up.
11/15/2011 4:36 PM
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"Now, the tricky part.   Send ALL undrafted players to a newly created "Undrafted Free Agent Pool" for 48 hours.  Owners can bid on them to fill out their rosters(if they so choose).  At the end of those 48 hours, all offered UDFA will accept the best offer(bonuses included).  The period will end before the first RL game.   After that, they'll accept the first contract offered to them."
11/15/2011 7:23 PM
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Do you REALLY want to have to go bidding on players to fill out your RL roster?  Granted, they're just minor league roster filler crap, but bidding for them?  Really?
11/15/2011 7:52 PM
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Wow.  This proposal sounds like more fun than bidding for coaches.

Stupid idea.

How about - just like all the other smart owners - Mike figures out how to draft appropriate players to fill out his minors.
11/15/2011 8:12 PM
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I don't have a problem, dumbass.   The problem is the last 20 rounds of the draft are irrelevant and anyone with half a brain won't bother to sign anyone who doesn't have a BL future so they can save the bonus money.

Did I play hide the sausage with your wife?  I don't recall crossing paths with you but you seem to have a major hard-on for me.

11/15/2011 9:19 PM
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One of the problems with HBD is that owners don't recognize what's going to happen when the suggestions they make are implemented.   Tryout camp position players negates the need to sign non-prospect position players just like tryout camp did with pitchers.   So more money will go towards IFA.  This isn't really a big problem, per se, but there's no reason to have a 25 round draft.   Check back in 6 months.   And tell me that unsigned draftees didn't increase exponentially. 

Rather than "waste" the prospect money, I'll sign my draftees when the IFA stop showing up but I'll use the TC to fill my rookie league in the meantime.   That's what the smart owner will do.   Assuming, of course, he has any money in IFA scouting.
11/16/2011 6:43 AM
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You assume this doesn't already happen. I was doing that with TC pitchers before they stopped letting you move them to positions.
11/16/2011 7:20 AM
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You're right ... most people don't look forward at the implications. Including (and especially) WIS. But in this case, neither are you. Your proposal would be the final nail in the coffin for the minor leagues. Over and done. Attack the problem, don't do an end run. How about, after 48 hours, auto-sign all draft picks for all teams, assign them to MiL teams, and as a penalty, reset the prospect account to 0?

You could also limit the tryout camp signings to xx ... five, maybe. All sorts of options before a scorched-draft scenario.

Of course, the basic problem is soft caps, transfers and 0 budgeting. There should be hard 10m floors, 20m caps and no transfers above or below. And let the whiners leave or join public worlds.
11/16/2011 7:30 AM
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I disagree.    Attentive owners will sign undrafted FA and those that don't give a damn about their minors will continue to not sign minor league filler.   Nothing changes EXCEPT the minor league FA pool is much larger(15x32=480, just assuming half are position players, 240).  That's 7-8 per team plus the auto-generated training camp PP.   Owners who WANT to fill out their minors will have more options.  Owners who have ignored their non-prospect draftees and minors will continue to do so.    If anything, it's a benefit to the minors for those who care.
11/16/2011 7:56 AM
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Posted by Crump123 on 11/16/2011 7:20:00 AM (view original):
You assume this doesn't already happen. I was doing that with TC pitchers before they stopped letting you move them to positions.
They stopped that 2-3 years ago.   So it doesn't happen now. 
11/16/2011 7:57 AM
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Personally, I don't care if the UDFA pool and signing period exist or not.   That was just a compromise for the "But how can I fill out my minors" people.   Send them all to tryout camp and let the fool who's up at 3 AM sign all he wants.    Or limit owners to five every 24 hours.   Doesn't matter as they're just minor league filler anyway.     But having 400 drafted players go unsigned because there are other options to fill out your minors is stupid.  
11/16/2011 8:00 AM
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Looking at Coop S19, I spent almost 1m in bonus money on position players draftees that I wouldn't spend next week when the Coop S20 draft happens(if I had any money in IFA scouting).   It's naive to think others will continue to sign PP who have no shot to make the bigs.   It's also naive to think WifS won't replenish the TCPP when it's emptied. 
11/16/2011 8:04 AM
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My opinion is that the biggest problem with minor league position players is not that owners are not signing their non-prospect draftees, but that they are not promoting the players they have signed, leading to mass numbers of minor league retirements, thius depleting the minor league free agent pool.

My suggestion a long time ago was that, rather than retiring due to lack of promotions, they be auto-released and put into the minor league free agent pool.  If they are in the pool unsigned after, say, two seasons or so, then they retire.  Or once they reach age  27.  But by allowing them to become FA's, the pool stays populated, thus mitigating the need for tryout camp for position players.

Keep in mind that tryout camp (for pitchers) was originally introduced into the game in order to provide an unending supply of fresh pitching arms back in the days when the pitching fatigue engine had problems.  Owners didn't know how to handle their pitching staffs and were running guys down into 0 (0) hell.

11/16/2011 8:41 AM (edited)
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For example, my three worlds (current season):

Mantle - 573 player retirements (385 aged 26 or younger)
Moonlight Graham - 626 player retirements (419 aged 26 or younger)
Cooperstown - 594 player retirements (404 aged 26 or younger)

That's a lot of young players who could be going into the minor league free agent pool, but instead are just disappearing from the game.
11/16/2011 8:31 AM
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I think tec nailed it here.
11/16/2011 8:38 AM
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