Just so no one gets misled, some of us believe good coaching at the BL level slows decline of the learned skills.   I've gotten increases from players in their 30s with good coaching also.    1 point bumps.

Not that its a major advantage, but coaching helps minor league players who are invited to spring training, so good major league coaching helps the young players for the opening day improvement process.

Posted by joshkvt on 6/14/2011 11:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by mfahie on 6/12/2011 7:30:00 PM (view original):
Screw you todd, that's not at all what I said.  I even mentioned it happening equally to my opponents.

And, just to be clear MT, "average" aggressiveness on the basepaths should equal many more runners out at the plate than in RL? That doesn't seem like the normal definition of "average".

Oh and wow, you found something that happened once 6 years ago!  That totally disproves my point.

I found one example from six years ago in 30 seconds of searching. I wasn't trying to disprove your point that the engine could be creating more runners thrown out than it should, just noting that it happens.

I am fairly certain that Carlton Fisk did not tag out two runners at home plate, one of whom was Yogi Berra, 6 years ago.
I also think that having three runners thrown out at the plate in a single game, while crazy, also is a good thing -- it shows that crazy stuff can happen in the games here - just like real MLB.  I was at a Phillies-Dodgers game a couple years ago where Jayson Werth stole 2nd, 3rd and home all in the same trip around the bases.  Stuff like that is very rare, but the beauty of the game is that it can happen. 

I'm pretty sure the reference was to a game in '85 (not '05, which I assume was a typo).  Dale Berra, not Yogi.

HBD OF assists per game from the world snapshot page - 0.096 LF / 0.118 CF / 0.111 RF = 0.325 x 162/2 = 26.325 per team/season

MLB OF assists for 2010 from here: http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/2010-specialpos_of-fielding.shtml

Average of 27 per team/season

Somebody else can do the work to see if the "type" of these assists in HBD vs MLB is bad, but in total they are really close

Torrone, I completely disagree.  I didn't pick and choose a sample, I used the first one I tried.  And frankly, anyone with any sense can see there are far fewer injuries in HBD than there are in MLB.  But you choose any random sample you like and I will guarantee you the HBD OF assists are skewed towards OF-C.

Green, just to be clear, I don't at all dispute that the OF assist numbers seem to match MLB's very closely.

However, the number of OF-C assists is far higher than in MLB.  That's all there is to it.  Runners rarely get thrown out trying to stretch to 2nd or 3rd in HBD (though it happens).  That is the majority of OF assists in MLB. 

In reality, it probably doesn't even effect the game very much.  But it certainly affects my reading of the boxscore, constantly having runners thrown out trying to score. If they made it match MLB more, than I guess many of those runners would have been thrown out trying to stretch instead.

Of the 819 MLB OF assists in 2010:

75 to 1B
245 to 2B
163 to 3B
272 to Home
64 in the total but not at a base

so 33% of OF assists in the MLB were at home. I'm not willing to do the work on the HBD side

30.5% in 2009