Posted by dacj501 on 7/18/2011 12:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by udm_mike on 7/18/2011 11:15:00 AM (view original):

Posted by acn24 on 7/18/2011 11:06:00 AM (view original):
I think one thing that could be done would be to significantly increase the value of promises, especially of starts.  I don't think promises really mean that much at DI, since there is so much additional money to overcome them, but I think that realistically a recruit would go to a lower prestige school if they can start immediately. 

Of course, then the flip side is that you have to significantly up the penalties for breaking promises.

I love both sides of this idea.  That would really help with the disparity of the power conferences vs. the mid majors.

better eliminate the no play /= no start loophole then...

Posted by oldresorter on 7/18/2011 12:30:00 PM (view original):
one way the 'layered' approach could be incorporated,

1 - each player could have a minimum, money, starting, minutes, etc,
2 - 5 stars would have more requirements than 1 star,
3 - players going to A+ schools would require less than if a C school was courting them, but
4 - also, a few players would be more receptive, some less, hence the layers. 

This would eliminate A+ schools from reeling in 5 800 level players then bragging on their coaches corners that they have 80k unspent.  I am thinking a 800 level player would require around 25-35k and 15-25 minutes and usually start from even a A+ school and 35-50k and 20-30 minutes and always a start from a D- school, with layers in that some schools they would be more receptive to, some less.

Posted by oldresorter on 7/17/2011 9:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Rails on 7/17/2011 9:20:00 PM (view original):
Apples to oranges imho because circumstances are not the same in every world...#of sims, coaches, etc, but of all things were equal I will stand by the statement.  Hawaii will never have an advantage over other teams in the Big 6. 

rails - I think you have been the most consistently vocal about recruiting shortcomings, do you have a proposal at all - I did not read all of this, so if you already have it out there, I apologize.

my quick and dirty fix, would be to extend the distance grids, so the cutoff at 200 might be at 300 instead, the one at 360 might be at 540, and the one at 1450 or so might be at 2000 or 2500, this would make recruiting more competitive - nationalized recruiting seems a little scary as the game is cut-throat enough, if we all had equal shots at everyone, I don't know how that would work, the distance grids do keep some of the bitterness out of the game.

my long term fix more involved priority, so my a+ school has an a+ presstige on it's #1 prospect, but only a B+ on its #2, this would spread recruits out, while still not making every recruit an absolute war - it has some kinks I know - it is a whiteboard issue at this point, but heck, it's not my job to figure out

Posted by oldresorter on 7/17/2011 9:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Rails on 7/17/2011 9:20:00 PM (view original):
Apples to oranges imho because circumstances are not the same in every world...#of sims, coaches, etc, but of all things were equal I will stand by the statement.  Hawaii will never have an advantage over other teams in the Big 6. 

rails - I think you have been the most consistently vocal about recruiting shortcomings, do you have a proposal at all - I did not read all of this, so if you already have it out there, I apologize.

my quick and dirty fix, would be to extend the distance grids, so the cutoff at 200 might be at 300 instead, the one at 360 might be at 540, and the one at 1450 or so might be at 2000 or 2500, this would make recruiting more competitive - nationalized recruiting seems a little scary as the game is cut-throat enough, if we all had equal shots at everyone, I don't know how that would work, the distance grids do keep some of the bitterness out of the game.

my long term fix more involved priority, so my a+ school has an a+ presstige on it's #1 prospect, but only a B+ on its #2, this would spread recruits out, while still not making every recruit an absolute war - it has some kinks I know - it is a whiteboard issue at this point, but heck, it's not my job to figure out

Posted by Iguana1 on 7/16/2011 3:18:00 PM (view original):
based on Rails suggestion of 5 regions, how about these?

1)   (Northeast)   Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New York
2)   (Mid Atlantic)   New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Washington DC, West Virginia, Virginia
3)   (Southeast)    North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Puerto Rico, Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas
4)   (Midwest)   Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana, Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Missouri
5)   (West)   Alaska, Hawaii, California, Oregon, Washington, Arizona, Nevada, Utah, Idaho, New Mexico, Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota


Each of the 5 regions would hold about 200 HD schools.  Maybe 1000 recruits could be generated for each region.
You still could generate recruits on a sliding scale, based on number of teams at each division level. 
The Northeast would have a much higher concentration of D3 level recruits based on the load of HD D3 teams in that region.

When you scout a region you could spend maybe $2000 to scout half of the recruits of that region based on their HD rankings;  top half #1-500, middle half  #251-750, or bottom half #501-1000.   Maybe the entire region for $3000.
Or possibly the top 500 cost $3000, the middle 500 cost $2000 and the bottom 500 cost $1000.

Posted by alblack56 on 11/12/2011 4:58:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Iguana1 on 7/16/2011 3:18:00 PM (view original):
based on Rails suggestion of 5 regions, how about these?

1)   (Northeast)   Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New York
2)   (Mid Atlantic)   New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Washington DC, West Virginia, Virginia
3)   (Southeast)    North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Puerto Rico, Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas
4)   (Midwest)   Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana, Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Missouri
5)   (West)   Alaska, Hawaii, California, Oregon, Washington, Arizona, Nevada, Utah, Idaho, New Mexico, Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota


Each of the 5 regions would hold about 200 HD schools.  Maybe 1000 recruits could be generated for each region.
You still could generate recruits on a sliding scale, based on number of teams at each division level. 
The Northeast would have a much higher concentration of D3 level recruits based on the load of HD D3 teams in that region.

When you scout a region you could spend maybe $2000 to scout half of the recruits of that region based on their HD rankings;  top half #1-500, middle half  #251-750, or bottom half #501-1000.   Maybe the entire region for $3000.
Or possibly the top 500 cost $3000, the middle 500 cost $2000 and the bottom 500 cost $1000.

This seems very difficult to organize fairly.   For instance, Kentucky borders 7 states and is only 55 miles from Arkansas and 70 miles from North Carolina. Of these 9 states, only 4 are included in Kentucky's region.

My feeling behind using regions is that it eliminates the recruits high school or home state from the equation. 

It shouldn't matter which states your school borders as all the recruits within your region are viewed as roughly equal distance from your school.  If there are 1000 recruits in your region, then they all can be recruited with the same cost.