ODL 37 team composition and discussion Topic

Walt Frazier
Kobe Bryant
Kevin McHale
Troy Murphy
DeAndre Jordan

33% Oreb (not great) 91% Dreb.
59.1% Assts

Defensively the team is good not great, but the offensive efficiency should be quite good even with Kobe being a chucker.  I know I am light on assists compared to my normal teams, but I felt like I have been putting too much money in assists that could go to D and superior usage.
11/26/2011 4:10 PM
Posted by theyard2 on 11/26/2011 11:51:00 AM (view original):

Maurice Cheeks
Adrian Dantley
Gerald Wallace
Tim Duncan
Bill Russell

Not that I pretend to know a whole about this stuff yet but wanted to follow the crowd...Boards 36/96, Ast 70 and only have to hide one defender but a little too much usage, hoping this team defends well, lives at the line, grabs a lot of boards and doesnt foul/to much at all...we'll see!

Would love your opinion Ash!
 

If you can fill this team out it'll be very tough.  Look fwd to Ash's opinion as well!
11/26/2011 5:20 PM
Posted by theyard2 on 11/26/2011 11:51:00 AM (view original):

Maurice Cheeks
Adrian Dantley
Gerald Wallace
Tim Duncan
Bill Russell

Not that I pretend to know a whole about this stuff yet but wanted to follow the crowd...Boards 36/96, Ast 70 and only have to hide one defender but a little too much usage, hoping this team defends well, lives at the line, grabs a lot of boards and doesnt foul/to much at all...we'll see!

Would love your opinion Ash!
 

The first (and only) thing that jumps out at me is lack of threes.  You need a spectacular team to dominate without threes, and I just don't see that happening in either of the draft leagues.  I like a lot of things about this squad, though, namely defense.  I feel like you gave up some of your board advantage by taking Dantley (as he doesn't board well enough for a 3 and Wallace is an ideal 2).  I'm also not a Cheeks fan in the sim - i feel like any point guard drafted in this league should give you either threes or boards (or, ideally, both).  Cheeks gives you neither.
11/26/2011 11:05 PM
Posted by scudmissle on 11/26/2011 11:24:00 AM (view original):
David Robinson   60% paint
Swen Nater           60% paint

Terry Porter           33% arc
Damon Jones      72% arc

Shawn Marion      60% midrange
 
good inside-out game. this team will log in with above average def and off boards. starting 5 has more than 400-3's. 2 top shelf defenders, while porter is 60. damon and nater, below average. dimes are good. very low turn overs. we should be at 19,000 mins when it's said and done. efg% is the team's strength. should be a playoff team, but who knows.
 
love this squad atm.  Probably my favorite five thus far.  Board-lite back court, but it seems like you're going to be able to get away with it.
11/26/2011 11:07 PM
thanks, ash!
11/27/2011 12:00 AM
Thanks ash!  I was thinking the same about the lack of threes and thought maybe I could get some with my bench but I seem to have maxed my self out and left very little room for a servicable bench! Lesson learned!!
11/27/2011 8:44 AM (edited)
    Name    Team Pos Usage% 2pt%# 3pt%# eFG% OReb% DReb% Ast% Stl% lk%
Chris Paul 07-08 Hornets PG 26.5 51.4 36.7 52.4 2.3 9.8 39.5 3.5 0.1
    Kevin Love 10-11 Timberwolves PF 23.0 48.1 41.5 51.3 12.7 32.3 9.0 0.8 0.6
    Alonzo Mourning 98-99 Heat C 27.1 51.7 0.0 51.1 11.7 20.9 6.2 0.9 6.5
    Peja Stojakovic 03-04 Kings SF 24.0 51.4 43.3 56.6 3.1 13.4 6.8 1.5 0.2
    Bo Outlaw 99-00 Magic PF 9.8 60.9 0.0 60.2 8.9 14.3 13.1 2.1 3.6
11/27/2011 9:23 AM
The strength of my team is in the raw numbers: only 14k minutes for my starters, but 420 made 3's, 1500 made FT's, a 2:1 A\T ratio, 950 fouls.
11/27/2011 9:43 AM
Posted by ashamael on 11/26/2011 11:05:00 PM (view original):
Posted by theyard2 on 11/26/2011 11:51:00 AM (view original):

Maurice Cheeks
Adrian Dantley
Gerald Wallace
Tim Duncan
Bill Russell

Not that I pretend to know a whole about this stuff yet but wanted to follow the crowd...Boards 36/96, Ast 70 and only have to hide one defender but a little too much usage, hoping this team defends well, lives at the line, grabs a lot of boards and doesnt foul/to much at all...we'll see!

Would love your opinion Ash!
 

The first (and only) thing that jumps out at me is lack of threes.  You need a spectacular team to dominate without threes, and I just don't see that happening in either of the draft leagues.  I like a lot of things about this squad, though, namely defense.  I feel like you gave up some of your board advantage by taking Dantley (as he doesn't board well enough for a 3 and Wallace is an ideal 2).  I'm also not a Cheeks fan in the sim - i feel like any point guard drafted in this league should give you either threes or boards (or, ideally, both).  Cheeks gives you neither.
Although Appleseed and robo were very low on three's last season and won their respective divisions (appleseed the title).  You don't need too many if you have very good fg% and defense at the 47 mil level it seems.  Isn't the goal of 3 pointers mostly to elevate the efg%?  There is no inherent advantage in taking shots from outside rather than inside, right?  Break it down for us Ash-
11/27/2011 12:33 PM
forcing excess foul distribution is one advantage (extreme paint/perimeter forces tons of fouls no matter what defense setting the opponent uses).  Another is that threes make up for lack in other areas, as your possessions result in more points.  A third, and potentially most devastating, has to do with the last 6 minutes of the game.  And then there's the fact that threes get double bonus from tempo & ast% advantage.  All of these make it so that a team with a lot of threes wins a lot of games they shouldn't... which, in a seven game series, can really ruin your day.  A team with the high threes & all of the other important aspects covered is much less likely to succumb to the WTF?! bug in the playoffs.
11/27/2011 5:14 PM
This would be amusing if it wasn't so pathetic - I just realized that I've been drafting for a $42 million cap, rather than $47 million. All of the sudden, I have a lot more money with which to fill in the end of my bench 
11/27/2011 5:14 PM
Posted by captainzen on 11/27/2011 5:14:00 PM (view original):
This would be amusing if it wasn't so pathetic - I just realized that I've been drafting for a $42 million cap, rather than $47 million. All of the sudden, I have a lot more money with which to fill in the end of my bench 
ouch!
11/27/2011 5:23 PM
Posted by ashamael on 11/27/2011 5:14:00 PM (view original):
forcing excess foul distribution is one advantage (extreme paint/perimeter forces tons of fouls no matter what defense setting the opponent uses).  Another is that threes make up for lack in other areas, as your possessions result in more points.  A third, and potentially most devastating, has to do with the last 6 minutes of the game.  And then there's the fact that threes get double bonus from tempo & ast% advantage.  All of these make it so that a team with a lot of threes wins a lot of games they shouldn't... which, in a seven game series, can really ruin your day.  A team with the high threes & all of the other important aspects covered is much less likely to succumb to the WTF?! bug in the playoffs.
Interesting!  Don't know how you learned or figured all this out, but thanks much for the info!
11/27/2011 8:26 PM

Teams will be rated on a projected +/-.  This value is not likely to add up to 0 for the league as it will when games are played, so take that number with a grain of salt.  Also, I may not be using the same season that the owner will take, and I may miss some other less tangible items as I quickly look at teams.  For what it's worth.

 

jcred5

Oscar Robertson              Hakeem Olajuwon          Marques Johnson            Fat Lever             Clyde Lee            Olden Polynice Jim Jackson

This team should have very good rebounding which may off-set a pretty bad TS%.  The defense is a bit average as well.  There may be some cap room to add some very valuable parts.  Not a lot of 3s on this team, which some people consider important. +1.2

captainzen

Mel Daniels       John Stockton   Amare Stoudemire         Danny Granger Ken Sears            McCoy McLemore           Lionel Hollins

With John Stockton on the team, assists should be taken care of.  The team is pretty weak defensively, and could use some punch on the offensive glass as well  -1.7

tarheel1991

Jason Kidd          Elton Brand        Manu Ginobili  Charles Oakley Joel Przybilla     Vince Carter       Joakim Noah

Tarheel’s squad will do enough on offense to get the job done considering his the shut-down defense his team should have.  One and done, and you’re not so likely to hit on your one.  +6.1

malone9975

Kobe Bryant       Kevin McHale   Troy Murphy      Walt Frazier       Deandre Jordan                Mark Landsberger           Kenny Smith

Malone9975 will have a good offensive team that shoots a ton of 3s and has a good TS%.  Defense and Offensive boards are a little bit suspect.  +3.5

98average

Dwyane Wade  Bobby Jones      Walt Bellamy    Dave Cowens    Dennis Scott      Garfield Heard Sergio Rodriguez

Another good defensive team, but this team may not have the offensive fire power to get it done.  The TS% is likely to be woeful.  This is a good but not great rebounding team on both sides of the floor.-1.8

eleibowitz

Ben Wallace      Kevin Durant     Bob McAdoo      Andrei Kirilenko              Mark Jackson     Chris Dudley      JR Smith

You know I like the pick of defending champ Andrei Kirilenko.  And the pick of defending champ J.R. Smith.  I’m completely undersold on Kevin Durant however.  See above, where I talked about one and done.  This team’s fatal flaw, however is a complete lack of assists.  I think that eleibowitz will not be selecting the seasons I have selected for him and get some good back-up players at the point to correct this, so look for a different outcome than +1.9

11/27/2011 8:52 PM (edited)
Posted by badja on 11/27/2011 8:26:00 PM (view original):
Posted by ashamael on 11/27/2011 5:14:00 PM (view original):
forcing excess foul distribution is one advantage (extreme paint/perimeter forces tons of fouls no matter what defense setting the opponent uses).  Another is that threes make up for lack in other areas, as your possessions result in more points.  A third, and potentially most devastating, has to do with the last 6 minutes of the game.  And then there's the fact that threes get double bonus from tempo & ast% advantage.  All of these make it so that a team with a lot of threes wins a lot of games they shouldn't... which, in a seven game series, can really ruin your day.  A team with the high threes & all of the other important aspects covered is much less likely to succumb to the WTF?! bug in the playoffs.
Interesting!  Don't know how you learned or figured all this out, but thanks much for the info!
No problem!  I tend to spend quite some time analyzing everything about a league and trying to figure out why my team did or did not meet my expectations and why the team that did win the whole thing was able to do so.  The third point was especially annoying as I was in the finals versus a guy who did a 3pt offense with 6 minutes to go in the 4th if he was down a single point... he came back from 20+ three times in that series and won - all in the last 6 minutes.  I've tried it and it works sometimes... but I only do it if I'm way behind in a series because it can be a risky maneuver.
11/27/2011 9:28 PM
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