So D1 is gonna be more of a ghost town than before, with D2 coaches unable to move up, and low D1 coaches unable to move up to a better baseline team, while other frustrated D1 coaches drop down to D2. Thumbs up!

Posted by tianyi7886 on 12/13/2011 1:09:00 PM (view original):
So D1 is gonna be more of a ghost town than before, with D2 coaches unable to move up, and low D1 coaches unable to move up to a better baseline team, while other frustrated D1 coaches drop down to D2. Thumbs up!

Betcha that does not happen, and that if there really is a hard-wired problem, that seble will fix it.

Well, Naismith job change is right now and pretty much nothing happened. The following coach is longshot for the worst D1 jobs:

http://whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/History.aspx?tid=2863

Posted by tianyi7886 on 12/13/2011 3:00:00 PM (view original):
Well, Naismith job change is right now and pretty much nothing happened. The following coach is longshot for the worst D1 jobs:

http://whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/History.aspx?tid=2863

The WCC got two coaches from the Big 12 - worth a laugh if nothing else.

Under the old system, he would have been able to jump to low end D1 teams, such as a D prestige Ivy League or MAC school.

Furthermore, only 1 B+ D2 job opened up this round, with no jobs with a higher prestige available in Naismith D2. I don't remember ever seeing so few D2 jobs opening up in any of the worlds I have been in, and my gut feeling is that alot of the D2 coaches are unable to move up. 

Posted by skinzfan36 on 12/13/2011 1:04:00 PM (view original):
man, this sucks I was really hoping to move to DI in Wooden this offseason. Last season I was a longshot for a bunch and figured another good season would qualify me for the low level jobs of DI. My team made it to the 2nd round of the NT, but now based on this I doubt I will have any chance. Especially since it doesn't look like they are fixing it anytime soon.

I agree. At first I thought that this was something that would be addressed and fixed right away, but I am starting to have my doubts. I am also wanting to move up in Wooden at the end of this season, although I am not sure if I would have been able to move up anyway since I tried booster gifts for the first time this year and the program got put on probation.

What I am disappointed in is the lack of a coordinated - really any kind of response by WhatifSports. If I ran this company, I would post something immediately in this forum, and also send a sitemail to every coach saying that they are aware that there may be a problem with the new job change logic, and that they are looking into it and that they will keep coaches informed of the situation.  The way it is being handled now leaves the impression that they do not care, which I doubt is the case. I think they just need to have much better communication with those of us who enjoy the game and spend the money to make it possible.

I've been planning on moving up in Naismith after this season for some time.  I also bought a number of DIII teams over the past couple of weeks and was thinking of adding another one.  It used to bet that you could be in DI with four good seasons (one in DIII and then three in DII to boost your loyalty), but I doubt that's possible now.  I'm certainly in a holding pattern now, and may end up dropping the teams I recently picked up if it's actually going to take 12-15 months to make it into lower level DI, much less a Big 6 conference.

Posted by chapelhillne on 12/13/2011 5:45:00 PM (view original):

Posted by skinzfan36 on 12/13/2011 1:04:00 PM (view original):
man, this sucks I was really hoping to move to DI in Wooden this offseason. Last season I was a longshot for a bunch and figured another good season would qualify me for the low level jobs of DI. My team made it to the 2nd round of the NT, but now based on this I doubt I will have any chance. Especially since it doesn't look like they are fixing it anytime soon.

I agree. At first I thought that this was something that would be addressed and fixed right away, but I am starting to have my doubts. I am also wanting to move up in Wooden at the end of this season, although I am not sure if I would have been able to move up anyway since I tried booster gifts for the first time this year and the program got put on probation.

What I am disappointed in is the lack of a coordinated - really any kind of response by WhatifSports. If I ran this company, I would post something immediately in this forum, and also send a sitemail to every coach saying that they are aware that there may be a problem with the new job change logic, and that they are looking into it and that they will keep coaches informed of the situation.  The way it is being handled now leaves the impression that they do not care, which I doubt is the case. I think they just need to have much better communication with those of us who enjoy the game and spend the money to make it possible.

Seble did start a thread about this after all http://www.whatifsports.com/forums/Posts.aspx?topicID=448576&page=2

I think tweak down the requirements for schools and things should right themselves.  It would be pretty bad at the same time to just kneejerk slide it the other direction and have everyone qualified for everything.

Maybe keep the good D1 schools as hard to get into, but make the lower level D1 schools easier, or at least around the same as they were. If more coaches were at lower levels of D1, some of those conferences might improve and make the Big 6 a little less dominant, which has been another issue that often gets written about.

I've never moved jobs, so am still at D3, but after this thread and a good NT run, I was interested to see what jobs I might be qualified for (in Tark). At first, there was only 1 D2 job I was "qualified" for - now there are 5 total at D2. All the others are listed as "Step Backwards?"

At D1, I am "qualified" for 125 jobs, "not qualified" for 45 jobs, and a "longshot" for 15. The highest D1 prestige that I am qualified for is D+.

Not sure what it means, but I thought it was interesting that I'd have so many D1 options coming from D3, while a good D2 coach apparently does not.

Posted by zbrent716 on 12/15/2011 10:26:00 AM (view original):
I've never moved jobs, so am still at D3, but after this thread and a good NT run, I was interested to see what jobs I might be qualified for (in Tark). At first, there was only 1 D2 job I was "qualified" for - now there are 5 total at D2. All the others are listed as "Step Backwards?"

At D1, I am "qualified" for 125 jobs, "not qualified" for 45 jobs, and a "longshot" for 15. The highest D1 prestige that I am qualified for is D+.

Not sure what it means, but I thought it was interesting that I'd have so many D1 options coming from D3, while a good D2 coach apparently does not.

That's kind of interesting.  But this is where the career wins thing comes into play.  You have 459 wins in D3, a high win% (not sure this means anything, though), so your NT this season coupled with your career wins has you soaring right through D2 and into some D1 jobs.  When it says you're not qualified for so many D2 jobs, it obviously means you're simply overqualified for them all. 

Posted by ryandaniel on 12/12/2011 1:44:00 PM (view original):
How could they possibly do that much testing?  The number of possible scenarios is endless.  No matter what selection criterion is used, there are going to be people that have arguments - even valid arguments - that the cut off line should include them.

there are a million other cases where products are put out with "endless scenarios" - in fact, millions that are much, much more complex that this, and they get tested just fine. i understand that software testing to someone outside of software development may be fairly nebulous, but really, testing something like this is not very difficult, and the testing standards at WIS have been too low for a long, long time.

that said, i still maintain the position that we should give seble a little time to fix this before getting to upset...

When does anything get tested at WIS? I feel like they just roll stuff out with now idea how it will work out, and WE are the ones testing the problem.

Posted by coach_billyg on 12/15/2011 12:06:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ryandaniel on 12/12/2011 1:44:00 PM (view original):
How could they possibly do that much testing?  The number of possible scenarios is endless.  No matter what selection criterion is used, there are going to be people that have arguments - even valid arguments - that the cut off line should include them.

there are a million other cases where products are put out with "endless scenarios" - in fact, millions that are much, much more complex that this, and they get tested just fine. i understand that software testing to someone outside of software development may be fairly nebulous, but really, testing something like this is not very difficult, and the testing standards at WIS have been too low for a long, long time.

that said, i still maintain the position that we should give seble a little time to fix this before getting to upset...

But how exactly would you test when people 'feel' that going up is easy enough or hard enough?  Its not something like field goal percentage that you can look at an objective number or something.