Posted by tangplay on 10/22/2018 11:06:00 PM (view original):
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Hi, Tang...

Perhaps a better discussion if you guys quit calling each other Idiot and Dumbass...even Dino...

The only thing I feel I hardcore about is keeping the government away from as much money as possible. Most Washington politicians are under the thumb of K Street thugs, who are peddlers for rich donors. Hence my opposition to big government. Neither side of the aisle will stick their necks out for us poor working people. So I root for Trump to set them on fire...I will settle for him to hold their feet to said fire.

the wealthy will always make money. They did under FDR, Nixon, Reagan, Clinton, Bush and Obama. The S&P is way up since Jan 2017, so they keep filling their coffers.

I am rooting for The Outsider, well more so than his predecessors. I hope he is sincere in cleaning it up, and giving us a shot at better than we've had...

No different than the many that wanted the Hope and Change that Obama promised...

Posted by DoctorKz on 10/22/2018 11:22:00 PM (view original):
Here's a thought: a revving economy, rids itself of waste, fraud and abuse. Streamlined programs that work, elimination of those that don't work. We do well enough that surpluses make it possible to pay for entitlements while making progress on reducing the debt. Out of reach? Possible for a CEO type to bring it to fruition? Clinton had surpluses, why not The Donald?

If we had the Clinton tax rates we wouldn’t have a deficit.

But a balanced budget isn’t necessary. Nothing wrong with a deficit.

A federal debt of 21 Trillion? If interest rates go way up, we struggle to pay just the interest. Our credit rating drops, as well as the value of our currency. Might be a problem worth fixing.

Temporarily it might be ok to run deficits, if, and I said if, the economy grows 3% or better for many years. We could pay off some debt with good long term numbers. I said if...my crystal ball is in the shop.

Posted by DoctorKz on 10/22/2018 11:51:00 PM (view original):
A federal debt of 21 Trillion? If interest rates go way up, we struggle to pay just the interest. Our credit rating drops, as well as the value of our currency. Might be a problem worth fixing.

Funny thing, we control the interest rates. We’ve had over a trillion dollars in debt for almost 40 years. It’s basically irrelevant.

Posted by DoctorKz on 10/22/2018 11:50:00 PM (view original):
Temporarily it might be ok to run deficits, if, and I said if, the economy grows 3% or better for many years. We could pay off some debt with good long term numbers. I said if...my crystal ball is in the shop.

We definitely should shave the deficit when we are prospering, which is why the tax cuts were a bad idea.

But we don’t need to go as far as balancing the budget.

Posted by bad_luck on 10/23/2018 12:10:00 AM (view original):

Posted by DoctorKz on 10/22/2018 11:50:00 PM (view original):
Temporarily it might be ok to run deficits, if, and I said if, the economy grows 3% or better for many years. We could pay off some debt with good long term numbers. I said if...my crystal ball is in the shop.

We definitely should shave the deficit when we are prospering, which is why the tax cuts were a bad idea.

But we don’t need to go as far as balancing the budget.

Yes we do and they were not a bad idea. Corporate tax cuts were necessary. Spain's tax rate is 50% but they have nationalized healthcare. Why am I paying 40% (was) when we don't have it. Makes little sense.

Posted by cccp1014 on 10/23/2018 9:56:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 10/23/2018 12:10:00 AM (view original):

Posted by DoctorKz on 10/22/2018 11:50:00 PM (view original):
Temporarily it might be ok to run deficits, if, and I said if, the economy grows 3% or better for many years. We could pay off some debt with good long term numbers. I said if...my crystal ball is in the shop.

We definitely should shave the deficit when we are prospering, which is why the tax cuts were a bad idea.

But we don’t need to go as far as balancing the budget.

Yes we do and they were not a bad idea. Corporate tax cuts were necessary. Spain's tax rate is 50% but they have nationalized healthcare. Why am I paying 40% (was) when we don't have it. Makes little sense.

Glad you’re in favor of nationalized healthcare.

bad_idiot has defended Obumble care every chance he's had, yet now he's for nationalized healthcare? Priceless! He probably has this on his bedroom ceiling:

Posted by bad_luck on 10/23/2018 10:00:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 10/23/2018 9:56:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 10/23/2018 12:10:00 AM (view original):

Posted by DoctorKz on 10/22/2018 11:50:00 PM (view original):
Temporarily it might be ok to run deficits, if, and I said if, the economy grows 3% or better for many years. We could pay off some debt with good long term numbers. I said if...my crystal ball is in the shop.

We definitely should shave the deficit when we are prospering, which is why the tax cuts were a bad idea.

But we don’t need to go as far as balancing the budget.

Yes we do and they were not a bad idea. Corporate tax cuts were necessary. Spain's tax rate is 50% but they have nationalized healthcare. Why am I paying 40% (was) when we don't have it. Makes little sense.

Glad you’re in favor of nationalized healthcare.

I am neither in favor nor opposed to it because I don't know how it would work. In Spain my ex colleague buys an add on policy to get better treatment. I don't like how healthcare works now. I cannot even get a price for an xray. This is because the beneficiary of the medical treatment is not the payor. Look at lasik. It used to cost like $7k per eye now you can get it for $800 per. Insurance doesn't pay for it so more doctors got into it, created a marketplace and prices naturally declined. Same for cosmetics like botox. I think we need to find a way to do the same thing for other medical procedures. I don't get why an xray should cost $200. Its a picture.

So I don't mind "nationalizing" but I think we need to create a marketplace and allow patients to choose how they want to pay. Right now I am paying $700/month through my employer and my insurance is very good but I understand not everyone has that same access. I do think MDs should be able to charge whatever they want to. If a plumber fixes my toilet I cannot state I will only pay you x or talk to my insurance. Doctors are capitalists too, who have spent a lot of $$ and time developing their skills and should be paid accordingly.

In one breath you say x rays shouldn't cost $200 and in the next, you say doctors are capitalists and should be able to charge what they want.

Which is it?

Posted by DoctorKz on 10/22/2018 10:40:00 PM (view original):
I am a Saint Louis resident. Many of you got acquainted with Ferguson. It sits in North County, nw of downtown. Decades ago, it was a solid middle income area. There was a Ford plant, and the Corvette plant was nearby. Those plants closed, many good paying jobs were lost. Decay set in quickly.

Trump understands how crucial manufacturing is to our economy. It is the difference between prosperity and the need for government assistance. We need as many blue collar jobs as possible. Getting and keeping investment here is paramount.

all Trump understands is what is best for him. He does not give a **** about you, me or anyone else but him and his buddies.

Posted by bad_luck on 10/23/2018 11:37:00 AM (view original):
In one breath you say x rays shouldn't cost $200 and in the next, you say doctors are capitalists and should be able to charge what they want.

Which is it?

They may charge $200 but if their competitors charge $50 then I will go to them. Competition will naturally bring prices down as illustrated in the lasik and Botox marketplace. Maybe you should learn to read and interpret instead of asking me to repeat myself.