screwing power teams! Topic

Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 1/06/2010
Yeah, that exchange was certainly not snake's finest hour.

hart and others: "There's plenty of data to make significant statistical conclusions!"
snake: "No there isn't. There's only mere fractions of seasons."
hart: "Yeah, but there are lots of fractions of seasons, which adds up to plenty of data."
panda: "You don't need full seasons worth of data to get a snapshot of what's happening."
snake: "Right, for snapshots. But not for statistically significant conclusions, as you pointed out, padna."
hart and others: "



ftfy, not that I expect you to grasp the difference between a statistically significant conclusion and a snapshot, or understand what a confounding variable is, or a small sample (another favorite misused term around here). Till then, y'all kiddies play nice in your sandbox. Wipe your lipstick off each other's buttcheeks when its time for your nap.
1/6/2010 1:15 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By silentpadna on 1/05/2010
You don't need full seasons to spot trends. We are not looking at statistical samples, we are looking at snapshots (an appropriate title to the link earlier). Snapshots are not random as a true statistical sample would be.

If we are trying to spot trends, it's perfectly legitimate to look at the equivalent of 30 seasons worth of data in a snapshot form because we are not necessarily trying to isolate seasonal totals; we are trying to determine what the current rates are (we can always extrapolate seasonal totals if the data set is large enough). I would say that there is enough data out there to suggest that the effect of the change has been significant. The home run rate is down everywhere I've seen. I haven't had the time to explore the numbers like some of you, but I can see a reduction in slugging for both of my franchises, including the minor leagues (although those are obviously less reliable indicators).

On the few occasions I've spoken up in this thread, I've mentioned that it still goes back to finding good players, not necessarily specialty players. And if you do have specialty players, you better have different types. I think the change is generally okay.

I think the term "snapshot" is being misused by WifS in this case. The World Snapshot that they have linked to is the total statistics of all current worlds. On average, it would represent 1/2 of a season of all active worlds. Today (I think it's safe to assume that # was similar on 1/4) there are 150 active worlds which means approximately 75 SEASONS worth of data. That's one really big sample size. If that data says that HR have dropped, while 2b, 3b, and H have stayed the same, then 1b have increased by the same amount that HRs have dropped. Does that mean that HR are turning into singles? The net result is yes, even if we can't determine how they get there.
1/6/2010 1:57 PM
Exactly.
1/6/2010 1:59 PM
I think you have to check individual players to sort it out. That's pretty "dangerous" because it's small sample size but I did.

Players who hit 2B/3B but few homers are hitting 2B/3B and few homers.
Players who hit 1B with few 2B/3B/HR are still hitting the same.
Lastly HR hitters are still hitting the same amount of 2B/3B but less homers.

Since AVG hasn't changed, I think it's safe to say that the homers are turning into singles. HR hitters who used to hit 60 homers and 20 doubles aren't suddenly hitting 40 homers and 40 doubles. They just aren't.

Do what you want with that limited, small sample size info.
1/6/2010 2:07 PM
So, for those of you who are still trying to figure it out, your mashers are going to hit less homers, more singles and roughly the same doubles/triples.
1/6/2010 2:08 PM
What about my sucky guys?
1/6/2010 2:17 PM
In all likelihood, they will continue to suck.
1/6/2010 2:18 PM
Haven't y'all finished screwing the power teams yet?
1/6/2010 2:34 PM
What about power pitching?
1/6/2010 5:28 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By shobob on 1/06/2010What about power pitching
Pitching and defense is the new power.
1/6/2010 5:36 PM
What? No shortcuts? Waaaah!
1/6/2010 5:46 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By Braziman on 1/06/2010Haven't y'all finished screwing the power teams yet
Oh, no, a few of those guys are having WAY too much fun to stop yet.
1/6/2010 7:00 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By tecwrg on 1/06/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By shobob on 1/06/2010
What about power pitching?
Pitching and defense is the new power
Yeah, and if we build our teams based exclusively on that, we'll get screwed on the next update too. You know, the update that will take into account all of UZR's shortcomings and proclaim "the era of overhyped defense is over". Unless, of course we build our teams with good players...
1/6/2010 9:42 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By silentpadna on 1/06/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By tecwrg on 1/06/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By shobob on 1/06/2010
What about power pitching?
Pitching and defense is the new power.
Yeah, and if we build our teams based exclusively on that, we'll get screwed on the next update too. You know, the update that will take into account all of UZR's shortcomings and proclaim "the era of overhyped defense is over". Unless, of course we build our teams with good players..
There does seem to be too many + plays, so expect this change soon.
1/7/2010 10:49 AM
What are you basing the "Too many + plays" on? There is no such a stat in real life, so how can we arrive at too many?

1/7/2010 5:26 PM
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