Posted by moy23 on 7/22/2010 3:52:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by robusk on 7/22/2010 3:38:00 PM (view original):
Unfortunately, Elcano, like Keller will see like 1/3 of the IP he would have on a properly run team.

yet I was in game 7 of the series.... where were you?

I think I have been in like 4 WS over the last 7 or 8 seasons of $ and without even looking probably have 4-5 times as many WS appearances and championships as you in less seasons.

Not sure you want to rely on your "resume" in this discussion.

yeah and 2 years ago I was 15 lbs lighter, had more hair, and wasn't married - but that doesn't help me get laid NOW.

I am not even sure this makes a little bit of sense.

Posted by tisi29 on 7/22/2010 3:56:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by robusk on 7/22/2010 3:38:00 PM (view original):
Unfortunately, Elcano, like Keller will see like 1/3 of the IP he would have on a properly run team.

yet I was in game 7 of the series.... where were you?

I think I have been in like 4 WS over the last 7 or 8 seasons of $ and without even looking probably have 4-5 times as many WS appearances and championships as you in less seasons.

Not sure you want to rely on your "resume" in this discussion.

yeah and 2 years ago I was 15 lbs lighter, had more hair, and wasn't married - but that doesn't help me get laid NOW.

being married doesn't help you get laid?  strange marriage you've got there, moylan.

yeah - the wife is always around - kinda makes it more difficult

Posted by robusk on 7/22/2010 3:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 7/22/2010 3:52:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by robusk on 7/22/2010 3:38:00 PM (view original):
Unfortunately, Elcano, like Keller will see like 1/3 of the IP he would have on a properly run team.

yet I was in game 7 of the series.... where were you?

I think I have been in like 4 WS over the last 7 or 8 seasons of $ and without even looking probably have 4-5 times as many WS appearances and championships as you in less seasons.

Not sure you want to rely on your "resume" in this discussion.

yeah and 2 years ago I was 15 lbs lighter, had more hair, and wasn't married - but that doesn't help me get laid NOW.

I am not even sure this makes a little bit of sense.

in laymen's terms - Its like VDs HD record - just because he won a ton 30 seasons ago doesn't make him great now.

I'm not saying you're a ****** coach - just that I'm not a bad one.

Posted by moy23 on 7/22/2010 4:01:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by robusk on 7/22/2010 3:38:00 PM (view original):
Unfortunately, Elcano, like Keller will see like 1/3 of the IP he would have on a properly run team.

yet I was in game 7 of the series.... where were you?

I think I have been in like 4 WS over the last 7 or 8 seasons of $ and without even looking probably have 4-5 times as many WS appearances and championships as you in less seasons.

Not sure you want to rely on your "resume" in this discussion.

yeah and 2 years ago I was 15 lbs lighter, had more hair, and wasn't married - but that doesn't help me get laid NOW.

I am not even sure this makes a little bit of sense.

in laymen's terms - Its like VDs HD record - just because he won a ton 30 seasons ago doesn't make him great now.

I'm not saying you're a ****** coach - just that I'm not a bad one.

I just won a WS last week.

It's moy.

Posted by AlCheez on 7/22/2010 3:56:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by tisi29 on 7/22/2010 3:38:00 PM (view original):
Idiot or not, it makes more sense to spend 2x value on a great player than 3x value on a mid-level player.

Well...  not exactly.

For example, I would rather spend, for example 10 mil on 220 innings at a 4 ERA than 10 million at 60 innings at a 3.5 ERA.

I am not saying that is the exact math here, but both contracts are horrible and in this case you are probably spending 75% of the money for 25% of the innings at probably 150% of the effectiveness.

All my key players (probably 15 of them) are locked up past season 18 with good contracts. If I have the extra dough how can you say its a bad contract. Its not like Elcano will be ****** in 5 seasons. He's 29, a pitcher with 6 ML yrs under him, and he's still improving ratings-wise.

Next season I have $25 million bonus money freeing up I can put $14 of that back into the prospect budget.

You've got 90 million committed to 14 players for next year, that doesn't include guys that are going to be in arb years - your payroll isn't going to really dip that much next year unless you move some of it.

duly noted.

thus some trades I have in mind. Another reason I needed Elcano

Posted by robusk on 7/22/2010 4:02:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by robusk on 7/22/2010 3:38:00 PM (view original):
Unfortunately, Elcano, like Keller will see like 1/3 of the IP he would have on a properly run team.

yet I was in game 7 of the series.... where were you?

I think I have been in like 4 WS over the last 7 or 8 seasons of $ and without even looking probably have 4-5 times as many WS appearances and championships as you in less seasons.

Not sure you want to rely on your "resume" in this discussion.

yeah and 2 years ago I was 15 lbs lighter, had more hair, and wasn't married - but that doesn't help me get laid NOW.

I am not even sure this makes a little bit of sense.

in laymen's terms - Its like VDs HD record - just because he won a ton 30 seasons ago doesn't make him great now.

I'm not saying you're a ****** coach - just that I'm not a bad one.

I just won a WS last week.

really - cause if it ain't $ or it ain't HR it ain't mean ****.

I'm pretty pleased with adding Albie Plata for more versatile bench depth.  That rounds out my bench.  I should probably replace Mags Pascual too, but I have a soft spot for the bastard.

Posted by robusk on 7/22/2010 3:57:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by robusk on 7/22/2010 3:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tisi29 on 7/22/2010 3:38:00 PM (view original):
Idiot or not, it makes more sense to spend 2x value on a great player than 3x value on a mid-level player.

Well...  not exactly.

For example, I would rather spend, for example 10 mil on 220 innings at a 4 ERA than 10 million at 60 innings at a 3.5 ERA.

I am not saying that is the exact math here, but both contracts are horrible and in this case you are probably spending 75% of the money for 25% of the innings at probably 150% of the effectiveness.

I'm saying I'd rather spend $12M for a player that will be worth 3 wins a year over 75 innings (even though he is really only worth $6M), than $18M for a player that will be worth 3 wins a year over 225 innings (which I'd say makes him worth about $6M).

At those numbers sure...

I wouldn't claim to know any more than you about HBD...  probably the opposite in fact.

I would just question whether those win totals would be right for the two players in question.

someone worth 3 wins in 75 innings is an awesome RP - think somewhere between Billy Wagner and Mariano Rivera
someone worth 3 wins in 225 innings is a decent ML SP - think somewhere between Randy Wolf and John Lackey
I'd rather pay the RP $12M though he is not worth it, value-wise - than the SP $18M (also not worth it, value-wise).

Posted by moy23 on 7/22/2010 4:06:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by robusk on 7/22/2010 3:38:00 PM (view original):
Unfortunately, Elcano, like Keller will see like 1/3 of the IP he would have on a properly run team.

yet I was in game 7 of the series.... where were you?

I think I have been in like 4 WS over the last 7 or 8 seasons of $ and without even looking probably have 4-5 times as many WS appearances and championships as you in less seasons.

Not sure you want to rely on your "resume" in this discussion.

yeah and 2 years ago I was 15 lbs lighter, had more hair, and wasn't married - but that doesn't help me get laid NOW.

I am not even sure this makes a little bit of sense.

in laymen's terms - Its like VDs HD record - just because he won a ton 30 seasons ago doesn't make him great now.

I'm not saying you're a ****** coach - just that I'm not a bad one.

I just won a WS last week.

really - cause if it ain't $ or it ain't HR it ain't mean ****.

And I won a WS in $ in the last year, was in the WS the season before last...

I was just in a game seven of the HR WS two weeks ago..

Seriously, just accept the fact that you are a retard.  It is a lot easier.

Posted by tylermathias on 7/22/2010 4:06:00 PM (view original):
I'm pretty pleased with adding Albie Plata for more versatile bench depth.  That rounds out my bench.  I should probably replace Mags Pascual too, but I have a soft spot for the bastard.

Yeah, I saw that.  Nice signing since you don't need him to do much.

fine - I'm retarded. you're still a **********.

Thinking about it from the perspective that Guerrero is tied with Armas for the highest paid player in the world is insane.

Posted by robusk on 7/22/2010 4:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tylermathias on 7/22/2010 4:06:00 PM (view original):
I'm pretty pleased with adding Albie Plata for more versatile bench depth.  That rounds out my bench.  I should probably replace Mags Pascual too, but I have a soft spot for the bastard.

Yeah, I saw that.  Nice signing since you don't need him to do much.

Yeah, he's a luxury.

Still have 5 mil or so, but I'll save that for trade flexibility.

Posted by robusk on 7/22/2010 4:11:00 PM (view original):
Thinking about it from the perspective that Guerrero is tied with Armas for the highest paid player in the world is insane.

Very true.