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Shut it bo'tardbill.

If its good for pitchers to strike hitters out, then its bad for hitters to strike out. You're own article says it you infantile brainless 'tard.
2/20/2008 6:22 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By mrdanielx on 2/20/2008 you infantile brainless 'tard.
Dude...didn't we go over this already?...pot/kettle/black
2/20/2008 6:23 PM
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2/20/2008 6:26 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By _nuke_ on 2/20/2008

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/20/2008
The .82 DP every game does not make up for every good thing that happens when you put the ball in play.


Seriously, that's the end of the story.

Oh...well I guess you're right since teams that strikeout less score more runs.

Yeah, boy, since teams that strikeout less do score more runs...



WAIT - what? They don't?!

No correlation - at all - between Runs Scored and Ks?

HOW ON EARTH CAN WE EXPLAIN THIS?
2/20/2008 6:26 PM
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There is NO correlation.
That means that you can't look at the Strikeout rate and estimate the runs scored. Or vice versa.
That's all it means.
Bill, you seem to think that this means that striking out a lot doesn't affect your ability to score runs. That is NOT what "no correlation" means. It means that there MIGHT be other factors that come into play, and that neither of the numbers should be used to predict the other.
2/20/2008 6:31 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By _nuke_ on 2/20/2008
Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/20/2008
The .82 DP every game does not make up for every good thing that happens when you put the ball in play


Seriously, that's the end of the story.

Oh...well I guess you're right since teams that strikeout less score more runs.





So is it your contention that striking out helps score runs?

Because, if it is, that's pretty stupid.
2/20/2008 6:32 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By toddcommish on 2/20/2008

There is NO correlation.
That means that you can't look at the Strikeout rate and estimate the runs scored. Or vice versa.
That's all it means.
Bill, you seem to think that this means that striking out a lot doesn't affect your ability to score runs. That is NOT what "no correlation" means. It means that there MIGHT be other factors that come into play, and that neither of the numbers should be used to predict the other.



That is not all it means. It means the numbers aren't statistically linked - you can't lower one and expect that action to raise (or lower) the other.

Like crime rates and late night tv ratings.

It would be stupid to postulate a link between Conan O'Brian ratings and fatal stabbings. Or to think that you could lower fatal stabbings by taking Conan off the air.

So it is stupid to think that you can strikeout less and hope, necessarily, to score more runs.

Which is exactly what people are saying.

In reality, we know that Ks are just another out - no worse or better than another. Any upside of ball in play s matched by downside.
2/20/2008 6:36 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/20/2008
Quote: Originally Posted By _nuke_ on 2/20/2008

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/20/2008
The .82 DP every game does not make up for every good thing that happens when you put the ball in play.


Seriously, that's the end of the story.

Oh...well I guess you're right since teams that strikeout less score more runs.






So is it your contention that striking out helps score runs?

Because, if it is, that's pretty stupid.


Here, I'll help. Striking out is an individual thing. You don't need anyone on your team to help you strikeout. So we'll just assuming striking out doesn't produce a lot of runs.

Now, we'll go to the person who assisted in the strikeout, the pitcher. Pitchers who strikeout a lot of batters(and don't help them by giving up the free pass) don't give up a lot of runs.

So, answer the question, is it your contention that striking out helps score runs?
2/20/2008 6:39 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/20/2008So is it your contention that striking out helps score runs?

Because, if it is, that's pretty stupid.

Nope. My contention is that strikeouts don't affect your ability to score runs (beyond the fact that they are an out, and outs have a VERY strong correlation to run scoring).

2/20/2008 6:40 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By toddcommish on 2/20/2008
There is NO correlation.
That means that you can't look at the Strikeout rate and estimate the runs scored. Or vice versa.
That's all it means.
Bill, you seem to think that this means that striking out a lot doesn't affect your ability to score runs. That is NOT what "no correlation" means. It means that there MIGHT be other factors that come into play, and that neither of the numbers should be used to predict the other.


If Todd would use this kind of logic in MG, he'd have a winner.
2/20/2008 6:42 PM
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THIS WILL BE MY YEAR!
.500, HERE WE COME!
2/20/2008 6:43 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By _nuke_ on 2/20/2008
Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/20/2008
So is it your contention that striking out helps score runs


Because, if it is, that's pretty stupid.


Nope. My contention is that strikeouts don't affect your ability to score runs (beyond the fact that they are an out, and outs have a VERY strong correlation to run scoring).





Yet they do because you can't plate a run by striking out.

Hell, the pitchers who strikeout a lot of batters don't give up a lot of runs. Check it out.
2/20/2008 6:44 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By toddcommish on 2/20/2008
THIS WILL BE MY YEAR!
.500, HERE WE COME!
Then 4th place here I come. Oh wait, death is still in our division.
2/20/2008 6:44 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/20/2008
Yet they do because you can't plate a run by striking out.

So your argument is that teams that strikeout less do score more runs?

2/20/2008 6:46 PM
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Here's an exercise for you this year.
Look at the boxscores every day. Keep up on the runs scored by teams that strikeout 14+ times in a game(more than half their outs).
Let me know how many RPG they average. I'm willing to wager that it's less than the league average.
2/20/2008 6:46 PM
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