Quote: Originally Posted By oldave on 12/07/2009the midmojrs would have to rearrange thier schedules so that they are all done one week prior to championship saturda

Quote: Originally Posted By kmasonbx on 12/07/2009TCU and Boise playing make sense, imagine if the 3 undefeated teams not in the championship all won and than you have 4 undefeated teams at the end of the season. At least this way you're only guaranteeing 2 undefeated teams and at least a little less controversy. As much crap as this system gets I like it because it's different and games in week 2 actually matter unlike in any playoff system. Maybe it doesn't decide a true national championship but in an odd way I think it may do a better job than single elimination playoffs deciding a champion. Anybody can win in a 1 game scenario, that doesn't prove you are the better team. In this system you are judged on your entire season and the teams that are deemed the 2 best play for the title.


Thae fact that you are judged takes all meaning out of this artificial title. There will be no champion this year.

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Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 12/06/2009
The worst part about all of this is that the BCS goes and hides the two non-BCS teams in the same game so they aren't given a chance to show how good they are against the Big Boys. TCU is the best team in the Nation and I was really hoping they wouldn't be idiots about this and put TCU v Florida.

This put me over the top with the BCS. I was already ****** last season as Utah had a better resume than Florida and got hosed. The SEC has this perceived strength and while in most years this may be true it certainly was not the last two outside of the two on top. Who did either Florida or Alabama play this year? Nobody. I screamed this all last season and UF barely won and Bama lost to Utah.

This crap puts me over the top. If they matched TCU and Boise against any of those other teams they would have a chance to win. You telling me they dont easily beat Iowa, Oregon, Cincy and have a shot at all the others. The system is screwed because now teams wont/dont play each other out of conference like they used to because everyone is playing to get to their conference championship undefeated.

Here is the perfect system which would allow the bowls to remain in tact and have a playoff.

Have 8 team playoff not based on rankings or computer system to an extent:

1) Require every conference to play a conference championship game to be eligible;

2) Remove 1 nonconference game from each teams schedule (since there is no reason for all the cupcake games against DII teams anyhow);

3) Winner of the Big 6 conference championships each get a spot in (no controversy due to polls you win/youre in).

4) Top 2 non BCS teams get in also but must win their conference championship. If they lose next highest get in instead.

5) Play first round of the games in the Rose, Orange, Fiesta, Sugar and Cotton Bowl (Rotate each year as is already done) the week after the conference championship games. Play the next rounds game in the same manner but during the week they are currently played. Championship game played in the bowl that didnt host a first round game that particular year one week later. The net result is two teams playing two extra games and two playing 1 extra game season ends 7 days later;

6) Continue playing all the other bowl games. No one cares about them now aside from the schools that are involved, people still wont care about them then, but atleast you dont ruin the bowl game "tradition".



I like it but do away with the bowls. They lack integrity and are responsible for the disgrace that is D1 college football.

Quote: Originally Posted By kmasonbx on 12/07/2009

I just don't see how you can keep the unimportant bowls after you get rid of all the bowl games that people actually care about. All of these small bowls piggy back off of the real bowl games. By getting rid of the biggest bowls it makes the smaller ones obselete and even less important and eventually sponsors would start pulling out from those games and they would dissapear. The reason the "Poinsetta Bowl" exists is because college football is currently based around bowls, if that's changed and you have a playoff now college football is based around a playoff system and nobody at all cares about those small bowls. NEWS FLASH NOBODY CARES ABOUT THEM NOW.

The reason the NIT works in college basketball is because college basketball is built around tournaments, whether it be at the beginning of the season with the Maui Invitational, Great Alaska Shootout or Preseason NIT, conference tourneys or the actual "Big Dance" to decide a champ.

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Quote: Originally Posted By Iguana1 on 12/07/2009

Easy on paper; next to impossible to hold together in real life.

Getting the BCS conferences to agree to the current system took years. All it takes is one season like the Big 12 South last year, where #3 Texas loses the division tie-breaker to Oklahoma and Texas Tech and the Longhorns have no bowl game to play.

Under that type of scenario it's very plausible that the Big Ten and Pac 10 pullout of the new playoffs and go back to playing their own Rose Bowl.

So you are saying that the Big Ten and Pac 10 would not want a chance to be a National Champion?

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Quote: Originally Posted By tgould02 on 12/07/2009

I honestly can't see how anybody can think a single elimination playoff decides a "true" champion. It absolutely does not, and there is just no way anybody can convince me other wise. At the end of an NBA, MLB or NHL season there is no debate at all over who is the best team because teams had to win 7 game series' to decide. The % of the time the better team wins a 7 game series is huge. Like I said before, single elimination playoffs do not do a good job of deciding a true champion because anybody can win in a 1 game scenario.

Let's say UNC threw up a stinker in the Sweet 16 last season would that have changed the fact that they were actually the best team in college basketball? Definitely not. Do you really think the Arizona Cardinals and the Pittsburgh Steelers were the 2 best teams in the NFL last season? The season before that were the Giants really better than the Patriots? Now if you look at the sports that have series to decide things, there is no argument that can be made for any other team besides the team that won.

An 8 team playoff would solve nothing because at the end of the season there will almost always be some 1 loss non BCS school that looks really good who ends up ranked in the 9-12 slot and everyone will be saying it's a shame they didn't get a chance.

Yeah but in a playoff format (8 or 16, preferably 16) it would be harder for the team that beat the "better team having the stinker night" to continue their hotstreak and just flatout frun the table. The playoff would rely on great coaching and great depth to win a championship.

That's not really my point. What I'm saying is if the clear cut best team has 1 bad game they're season is done in a 1 game playoff. The team that beat them may not go on to win, but the best team still won't win a championship. This is going back a long way but in 91, I think it was when Duke beat UNLV in the Final 4 everybody knew UNLV was actually the better team but in that 1 game scenario Duke had a chance. Had that been a 7 game series UNLV wins 4-1 or 4-2. Single game playoffs due a great job of creating excitement and letting fans think a "true" champion is crowned but it really does no better job than the BCS system in deciding a "true" champion.


If the clear cut best team has a stinker then they are not the clear cut best team anymore. A playoff absolutely determinesa champion better than the current system. The current system creates a paper champion. A playoff champion has won the tournament.

Quote: Originally posted by johnfoppe on 12/08/2009This is 4 pages of dreaming guys.  A playoff system ain't gonna happen.  First of all there is too much money in the bowls.  They are private enterprises and not NCAA run games.  Plus, as much as we would like to compare basketball and football, it just doesn't work.  Basketball games are held in arenas with maybe 20k fans.  Football stadiums hold 70k+.  Do you really think you are going to get fans to travel 2 or 3 times to neutral sites (if you use the current bowl games) and do this 3 weeks in a row (for an 8 team tourny).  I know a school like Ohio State travels extremely well, but expecting students, alumni, etc to make 3 trips in 3 weeks is asking a helluva lot.  The most likely alternative is the "plus one" idea.  And even with that you will have the 5th and 6th teams ********.

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 12/08/2009

Quote: Originally posted by johnfoppe on 12/08/2009
This is 4 pages of dreaming guys. A playoff system ain't gonna happen. First of all there is too much money in the bowls. They are private enterprises and not NCAA run games. Plus, as much as we would like to compare basketball and football, it just doesn't work. Basketball games are held in arenas with maybe 20k fans. Football stadiums hold 70k+. Do you really think you are going to get fans to travel 2 or 3 times to neutral sites (if you use the current bowl games) and do this 3 weeks in a row (for an 8 team tourny). I know a school like Ohio State travels extremely well, but expecting students, alumni, etc to make 3 trips in 3 weeks is asking a helluva lot. The most likely alternative is the "plus one" idea. And even with that you will have the 5th and 6th teams ********.

Yet another that believes that somehow the bowls make more money then a playoff would. You can still sell naming right to whomever you want.